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Florida could keep daylight saving time all year under 'Sunshine Protection Act'

Perotista said:
I sure wish Georgia would do the same. I don't care which time they choose, just keep one all year around. Indiana had some counties that didn't change their time, but most did. Arizona and hawaii do not change times either.
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Speaking from experience, it does makes airline scheduling for passengers a bit difficult. They never know what time to have someone pick them up at the airport... :shrug:
 
polgara said:
Speaking from experience, it does makes airline scheduling for passengers a bit difficult. They never know what time to have someone pick them up at the airport... :shrug:
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I'm done flying, I flew way too much working for the army. Well, I do have one more flight to take.
 
Perotista said:
you're wrong. It works for Arizona and Hawaii and certain counties in Indiana if Indiana hadn't changed their laws. It just mean for a half a year, Florida and the rest of the states in the Eastern time zone there would be exactly one hour time difference. For the remaining half of the year the time would be the same. It is no big thing. I would love to see Georgia stay on DST all year around. Perhaps if this becomes law in Florida, Georgia will follow. In fact I am about to write a letter to my state legislature suggesting Georgia stay on the same time all year around. As it is Florida to the south is on the same time, but Alabama to the west is on Central time. So there is an hours difference with Alabama anyway.
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Fine if you want make believe times in certain states - whatever. You will be changing your clock everyday instead of twice a year to keep up with the rest of the world.

You do realize if you do this the rest of the world will be on a precise schedule and Florida will see the rest of the worlds events and time in general change?
 
Mr. Nick, Florida isn't going to add an hour every year at daylight savings time. It will add an hour only once, and (most) of the other states will be adding and subtracting an hour once per year. During DST, all areas in the eastern time zone following DST will have the same time as Florida; during standard time, when all other states will fall back one hour, Florida will retain its hour and be one hour ahead. That's it.
 
Perotista said:
I sure wish Georgia would do the same. I don't care which time they choose, just keep one all year around. Indiana had some counties that didn't change their time, but most did. Arizona and hawaii do not change times either.
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all of Indiana is on DST since 2006. there are just a few counties up by Chicago, and in the south around Evansville which are on central time.
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't care if we have DLS all year or standard all year, but just leave it at one or the other
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i wish that more people felt this way.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Mr. Nick, Florida isn't going to add an hour every year at daylight savings time. It will add an hour only once, and (most) of the other states will be adding and subtracting an hour once per year. During DST, all areas in the eastern time zone following DST will have the same time as Florida; during standard time, when all other states will fall back one hour, Florida will retain its hour and be one hour ahead. That's it.
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That would create a time conflict with other regions... It would also add or subtract 2 hours not one.

It wouldn't work...

This whole concept is almost a paradox...

If Florida wanted the extra hour then they would need to change their clocks back and forward 4 times a year...

The logistics to make it work are so bizarre and not even worth it.
 
Mr.Nick said:
That would create a time conflict with other regions... It would also add or subtract 2 hours not one.

It wouldn't work...

This whole concept is almost a paradox...

If Florida wanted the extra hour then they would need to change their clocks back and forward 4 times a year...

The logistics to make it work are so bizarre and not even worth it.
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Holy **** I can't believe I'm reading this.

So imagine that instead of how you do it today where you move your clock an hour forward in the spring and an hour back in the fall, that you move it forward one hour in the spring and never change it again after that.

How is this so hard to understand?
 
So when it's 5 in Chicago and 6 in NYC those in Florida want it to be 5:30?

What about the other states that fall on that line? in one state it's 5:30, the next it's 5 and the next it's 6... That is unreasonable and highly confusing if you travel allot or live on a boarder.
 
Wiseone said:
Holy **** I can't believe I'm reading this.

So imagine that instead of how you do it today where you move your clock an hour forward in the spring and an hour back in the fall, that you move it forward one hour in the spring and never change it again after that.

How is this so hard to understand?
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Because that wouldn't work - I've been saying this forever.

If everyone else moves their clock twice a year - what makes you think Florida is so special from that?

Time is nothing more than a measurement - if we need to change our clocks twice a year - so does Florida otherwise they will fall back on time.

It doesn't work and the idea is stupid.
 
Seriously, what location does Florida have in our solar system that makes Florida able to change their clocks one time a year when every other geographical location changes it twice?

Unbelievable.
 
If I understand correctly, it works like this.

DateDST StateNon DST State
Spring 103000200
Fall 102000200
Spring 203000200
Fall 202000200
Spring 303000200
Fall 302000200

So for FL, it would just stay at 0300 rather than 0200.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Seriously, what location does Florida have in our solar system that makes Florida able to change their clocks one time a year when every other geographical location changes it twice?

Unbelievable.
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States are able to choose whether or not to participate in DST. Arizona doesn't. Does that make them any less of a State? Oh, btw, if a State only changed the clock once a year, what do you think the end result would be?
 
I don't think it is possible to lose time. Time is linear and exists no matter how it is measured. The position of the sun is not really relevant. All the consequences of DST is to make it dark one hour later. There is some structural advantage to this in that "rush hour" would be in daylight so tired drivers would have a better chance of survival on their commute home.



Mr.Nick said:
It would make absolutely no sense to do that... We would lose time.

This proposed idea by this politician from Florida is so silly it actually works against it's actual intent.

The sun can't always be in the middle of the sky at noon - the laws that be won't allow it to happen.
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Mr.Nick said:
Seriously, what location does Florida have in our solar system that makes Florida able to change their clocks one time a year when every other geographical location changes it twice?

Unbelievable.
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Florida will not change their time once a year. Under this scheme, they will move forward one hour once, during daylight savings time, with all the other areas that move forward one hour.

Instead of falling back to standard time in the fall like the other areas, they will stay on daylight savings time. When spring comes back around and all the other areas move their time forward again, Florida will be aligned with the other areas again. And so on.

I'm with wiseone, I really don't understand why you aren't grasping this concept.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
States are able to choose whether or not to participate in DST. Arizona doesn't. Does that make them any less of a State? Oh, btw, if a State only changed the clock once a year, what do you think the end result would be?
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I don't live in Arizona. What time is Chicago in Arizona? it's 3:36 here CST.

They could use the Roman Alphabet in states do determine time for all I care, but I think there needs to be some sort of consensus on time.

I don't believe a state is any less of a state because they're silly enough to concoct their own version of time, I just think it's meaningless and pretty much stupid.

I embrace states for exercising their Tenth Amendment rights.... But this idea is just strange.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Seriously, what location does Florida have in our solar system that makes Florida able to change their clocks one time a year when every other geographical location changes it twice?

Unbelievable.
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under the proposal, Florida would change the clocks zero times per year. it would make DST permanent. yesterday's leap forward would be the last change of the clocks in Florida ever.

it makes a lot of sense, i hope that it passes, and i hope that eventually the rest of the country does the same thing.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I don't live in Arizona. What time is Chicago in Arizona? it's 3:36 here CST.

They could use the Roman Alphabet in states do determine time for all I care, but I think there needs to be some sort of consensus on time.

I don't believe a state is any less of a state because they're silly enough to concoct their own version of time, I just think it's meaningless and pretty much stupid.

I embrace states for exercising their Tenth Amendment rights.... But this idea is just strange.
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Actually, it's 3:36 CDT time in Chicago. Arizona chooses to not change to daylight savings time, so it would be 1:36 PST...
 
Mr.Nick said:
Because that wouldn't work - I've been saying this forever.

If everyone else moves their clock twice a year - what makes you think Florida is so special from that?

Time is nothing more than a measurement - if we need to change our clocks twice a year - so does Florida otherwise they will fall back on time.

It doesn't work and the idea is stupid.
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Yes most other states change their clocks twice a year but its not twice in the same direction, its one hour forward than one hour back so at the end of the year you don't have a net change. That means if you're in a state which would never change its time, as Florida would be after adding A SINGLE HOUR A SINGLE TIME and then NEVER CHANGING IT AGAIN, you would be an hour off of the states in your timezone for part of the year but would never be more than ONE HOUR off.

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Did I just blow your mind? Are you really this damn stupid?
 
Pilot said:
Arizona doesn't observe Daylight Saving Time at all. This bill would make Florida observe Daylight Saving Time year round.
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True... Arizona and previously Michigan and Indiana did not observe DST. The common denominator of the three states is that they are on the western edge of their respective time zone. As such, they are already "blessed" with it being lighter later into the evening then those on the eastern edge of the time zone AND, correspondingly, have later sunrises then those on the eastern edge. These states likely decided that having later sunrises with DST was not worth the even sunsets..

The interesting thing about DST is that when we switch the many countries in the southern hemisphere switch the other way. This means that the relative time change between a North American and South American city changes by two hours each time we switch back and forth to DST. Florida (Miami, anyway) as a gateway to South America (most of which is east of Florida) can suddenly fall 3 or 4 time zones behind some parts of South America in the winter... to keep businesses more on track in relative sense, the idea of never changing back makes some sense.

That all said, seems like a pretty silly piece of legislation likely proposed by a novice legislator or political lightweight.
 
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ChuckBerry said:
Florida will not change their time once a year. Under this scheme, they will move forward one hour once, during daylight savings time, with all the other areas that move forward one hour.

Instead of falling back to standard time in the fall like the other areas, they will stay on daylight savings time. When spring comes back around and all the other areas move their time forward again, Florida will be aligned with the other areas again. And so on.

I'm with wiseone, I really don't understand why you aren't grasping this concept.
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That idea creates a backwards two hour swing of time every year.

If anything it would be a change of two hours forward or two hours back, but then that would put Florida two hours ahead or behind the rest of the states.

The idea makes no sense...

What the hell is the problem with EST anyways? and what is the reasoning behind this silly proposal?
 
Wiseone said:
Yes most other states change their clocks twice a year but its not twice in the same direction, its one hour forward than one hour back so at the end of the year you don't have a net change.

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Did I just blow your mind?
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Wow, I spent five minutes making a table to show this, and you explained it with one sentence.
 
Mr.Nick said:
That idea creates a backwards two hour swing of time every year.

If anything it would be a change of two hours forward or two hours back, but then that would put Florida two hours ahead or behind the rest of the states.

The idea makes no sense...

What the hell is the problem with EST anyways? and what is the reasoning behind this silly proposal?
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Refer to my table on page 4...
 
Mr.Nick said:
That idea creates a backwards two hour swing of time every year.

If anything it would be a change of two hours forward or two hours back, but then that would put Florida two hours ahead or behind the rest of the states.

The idea makes no sense...

What the hell is the problem with EST anyways? and what is the reasoning behind this silly proposal?
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OK, I give up. Have a nice day.
 
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