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AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

A lot of effort is being put into derailing this thread.

Is it deliberate??


it's kinda like watching a fat kid talk about how buff he is
 
A lot of effort is being put into derailing this thread.

Is it deliberate??

thats what happens when somebody makes a failed OP based on a false and illogical premise and then is upset that posters call him out on it.

Typically (not always) sound and logical OPs dont get derailed until they at lease run their course. This one simply lacked an honest OP.
 
thats what happens when somebody makes a failed OP based on a false and illogical premise and then is upset that posters call him out on it.

Typically (not always) sound and logical OPs dont get derailed until they at lease run their course. This one simply lacked an honest OP.

So you are of the opinion that Islam is not a religion of peace?
 
thats what happens when somebody makes a failed OP based on a false and illogical premise and then is upset that posters call him out on it.

Typically (not always) sound and logical OPs dont get derailed until they at lease run their course. This one simply lacked an honest OP.

But you have not made the case that this is so and instead repeatedly submit the same post. Even those who at one time gave you the occasional 'like' have now abandoned whatever cause you may have. You're playing with yourself.
 
But you have not made the case that this is so and instead repeatedly submit the same post. Even those who at one time gave you the occasional 'like' have now abandoned whatever cause you may have. You're playing with yourself.

actual i and others have, likes do not concern me LMAO

the OP is still here in its failed format :shrug:
 
thats what happens when somebody makes a failed OP based on a false and illogical premise and then is upset that posters call him out on it.

Typically (not always) sound and logical OPs dont get derailed until they at lease run their course. This one simply lacked an honest OP.

At what point did I become upset? This is funny.
 
actual i and others have, likes do not concern me LMAO

the OP is still here in its failed format :shrug:

You disagree with my premise (even though it was meant as sarcasm). Fine then, produce some real evidence to the contrary .....you know....that shows that Islam IS the "religion of peace" comparatively speaking......which is what many Muslims openly claim. That is all you need to do. Simple as that.

If my OP contains a failed premise, as you claim....then it falls upon you, the claimant, to produce some evidence to the contrary. Only one side in this discussion has produced any evidence or substantiated sources at all.....the other side has done nothing but express emotion and say "nu-uh" a great deal. I'll let the readers decide which side is which.
 
You disagree with my premise (even though it was meant as sarcasm). Fine then, produce some real evidence to the contrary .....you know....that shows that Islam IS the "religion of peace" comparatively speaking......which is what many Muslims openly claim. That is all you need to do. Simple as that.

If my OP contains a failed premise, as you claim....then it falls upon you, the claimant, to produce some evidence to the contrary. Only one side in this discussion has produced any evidence or substantiated sources at all.....the other side has done nothing but express emotion and say "nu-uh" a great deal. I'll let the readers decide which side is which.

my opinion is meaningless, facts disagree with your premise, this is what you are missing.
its nonsenical to judge a group by the actions of some.

The honest readers have already decided LMAO and im fine with that too :D
 
But you have not made the case that this is so and instead repeatedly submit the same post. Even those who at one time gave you the occasional 'like' have now abandoned whatever cause you may have. You're playing with yourself.

you say this but the thread, facts and other posters prove otherwise
your OPINION is meaningless to the FACTS :shrug:

its nonsensical to judge a group based on some, this point and the other points many people have made like it stands, not sure why these fact is hard to understand.
 
you say this but the thread, facts and other posters prove otherwise
your OPINION is meaningless to the FACTS :s

Going I'm right and other people agree with me isn't, in any sense, a logical argument.

And before you go "its not an argument", the rub here is that you are presenting it as one in an attempt to address another argument

I know " lmao, pawned, I win" ...
 
its nonsensical to judge a group based on some, this point and the other points many people have made like it stands, not sure why these fact is hard to understand.

As people have already pointed out numerous times. The OP makes a remark about Islam being the religion of peace

=/=

Muslims are violent. So you're still making empty assertions about the op that don't stand up to examination.
 
As people have already pointed out numerous times. The OP makes a remark about Islam being the religion of peace

=/=

Muslims are violent. So you're still making empty assertions about the op that don't stand up to examination.

yes im aware what 3 people said LOL
no empty assertion, facts as presented in the OP as seen by many and by the actual words written :shrug:
 
yes im aware what 3 people said LOL
no empty assertion, facts as presented in the OP as seen by many and by the actual words written :shrug:

I just pointed out the words don't actually amount to what you claim.

Also, for someone constantly spouting off about logic, I suggest looking up "appealing to popularity"
 
I just pointed out the words don't actually amount to what you claim.

Also, for someone constantly spouting off about logic, I suggest looking up "appealing to popularity"

im aware you gave me your OPINION of what you THINK, but as they are written disagrees with your assessment :shrug:
 
im aware you gave me your OPINION of what you THINK, but as they are written disagrees with your assessment :shrug:

actually no it doesn't

you're claiming he's grouping all Muslims together. He wrote a comment about Islam being the religion of peace. Clearly they are not the same comment, and have different meanings. Surely you can offer an argument on why they amount to the same thing, hence defending your original assertion from this criticism, but as of this point you have not done so.

In fact, all you have done is make various fallacious appeals, go "nu-uh" and make various empty assertions in support of your original claim. Again, hardly convincing or logical.

ex: asserting something as fact doesn't actually establish it as "fact".
 
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The sad thing is that Christians tend to get some protection from the state. Groups like the ahmadi are actively targeted and face prosecution, due to the perception that mere belief is seen as a blasphemous attack on the prophet

These are not a sophisticated people and, as we can see from their defenders, we've come to expect less from them, as though they are the put-upon group. I don't see how ignoring the situation, or blaming the victims for the violence, furthers relationships, fosters understanding, or advances mankind in any way.

Of course we can see how the Islamists would prefer it that way.
 
These are not a sophisticated people and, as we can see from their defenders, we've come to expect less from them, as though they are the put-upon group. I don't see how ignoring the situation, or blaming the victims for the violence, furthers relationships, fosters understanding, or advances mankind in any way.

Of course we can see how the Islamists would prefer it that way.

indeed. I'm pretty sure the ahmadi are not even granted the right to vote
 
indeed. I'm pretty sure the ahmadi are not even granted the right to vote

It seems that many Muslims in Canada aren't interested in voting, at least not in the parliamentary system. There are about 84,000 Canadian Muslims who think it’s justifiable to behead Canada's Prime Minister and blow up Parliament. That's a lot of Muslims.

Muslim Violence In Canada | ELLIOT LAKE News
 
It seems that many Muslims in Canada aren't interested in voting, at least not in the parliamentary system. There are about 84,000 Canadian Muslims who think it’s justifiable to behead Canada's Prime Minister and blow up Parliament. That's a lot of Muslims.

Muslim Violence In Canada | ELLIOT LAKE News

Yeah, I think it was a recent UK poll that highlighted that something 20% of east Asian youths support honor crimes. And while both represent minorities, and are likely better figures than what you would find in their place of origin, those are some really disturbing numbers. Especially the later, being that one argument is that these populations will naturally moderate when exposed to more western values
 
my opinion is meaningless, facts disagree with your premise, this is what you are missing.
its nonsenical to judge a group by the actions of some.

Good then the facts that you mention should be easy to produce......so, let's see them. In the OP I sarcastically referred to Islam as "The Religion of Peace." You apparently disagree and have called my post everything but honest.....so, your turn. Produce some of these "facts" that you've mentioned that show that Islam (as both a political and religious institution) is indeed the "Religion of Peace".....compared to say....Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism.

Let's make certain that your evidence is modern though, since the story in the OP I've referenced happened only a few days ago.......and as another poster so kindly points out, there are several nations run by Islamic governments TODAY which have openly made conversion from Islam to Christianity a LEGAL offense punishable by death..........but I'm sure that you (in your happy place) don't consider this violent.

I'll be waiting while you produce..............suprise!.....nothing.

BTW, your response here is fallacious as I am now judging the institution by the actions of......MANY!
 
Good then the facts that you mention should be easy to produce......so, let's see them. In the OP I sarcastically referred to Islam as "The Religion of Peace." You apparently disagree and have called my post everything but honest.....so, your turn. Produce some of these "facts" that you've mentioned that show that Islam (as both a political and religious institution) is indeed the "Religion of Peace".....compared to say....Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism.

Let's make certain that your evidence is modern though, since the story in the OP I've referenced happened only a few days ago.......and as another poster so kindly points out, there are several nations run by Islamic governments TODAY which have openly made conversion from Islam to Christianity a LEGAL offense punishable by death..........but I'm sure that you (in your happy place) don't consider this violent.

I'll be waiting while you produce..............suprise!.....nothing.

BTW, your response here is fallacious as I am now judging the institution by the actions of......MANY!

your questions and assumptions are meaningless to the facts, other religions have nothing to do with it, my opinion on Islam has nothing to do with it, but feel free to make up as much stuff as you want LMAO

Me an other posters were simply pointing out how your OP falsely condemns a group based on the actions of some, this is illogical, dishonest and or bigoted. pick one :shrug:

this is the only point that was made, if you would like to discuss it feel free.

not sure why it bothers you posters point your failed op out
 
your questions and assumptions are meaningless to the facts, other religions have nothing to do with it, my opinion on Islam has nothing to do with it, but feel free to make up as much stuff as you want LMAO

Me an other posters were simply pointing out how your OP falsely condemns a group based on the actions of some, this is illogical, dishonest and or bigoted. pick one :shrug:

this is the only point that was made, if you would like to discuss it feel free.

not sure why it bothers you posters point your failed op out

You've not stated why people should not be held responsible for their associations.

If you were a member of the KKK but said you didn't participate in lynchings, you'd still have a lot of splainin to do. If you were a member of the Nazi party but said some of your best friends were Jewish, you still might be judged accordingly. The same is true if you were a Fascist or a Communist.

Muslims belong to a religion that hates Jews, Christians, 'infidels', murders Gays, control the way women dress or even whether they can appear in public. They have murdered little girls on the way to school, sent them into burning buildings, bombed innocent people eating a pizza or doing their shopping, or waiting at a bus stop, and the list goes on and on. There is no intellectual class.

To belong to any 'religion' like this is inexcusable, and should be discredited at every opportunity, just like any other hate group.
 
1.)You've not stated why people should not be held responsible for their associations.

2.)If you were a member of the KKK but said you didn't participate in lynchings, you'd still have a lot of splainin to do. If you were a member of the Nazi party but said some of your best friends were Jewish, you still might be judged accordingly. The same is true if you were a Fascist or a Communist.

3.)Muslims belong to a religion that hates Jews, Christians, 'infidels', murders Gays, control the way women dress or even whether they can appear in public. They have murdered little girls on the way to school, sent them into burning buildings, bombed innocent people eating a pizza or doing their shopping, or waiting at a bus stop, and the list goes on and on. There is no intellectual class.

To belong to any 'religion' like this is inexcusable, and should be discredited at every opportunity, just like any other hate group.

1.) association based on what? religion? thats nonsensical thats why
2.) did you just compare Muslims ot the KKK and Nazis????? LMAO wow well that sums your logic pretty good, thanks
3.) nope. people inside that religion do that, i could say the same about other religions also :shrug:
4.) its not the religion, its the people, thank you for again support the facts
 
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