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AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

Dr. Chuckles said:
I really don't understand what you are trying to say? Yes, I am well aware that there are over a billion muslims. However, the remark you quoted and offered support to mentioned one million violent Muslims (it's quoted in the very post you responded here and a direct link is provided further back). As explained, if we can classify support, for executing people over leaving islam, as violence then there are many more than one million violent muslims in Pakistan alone, and you would be clearly wrong



Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter



I'm not seeing how my answer to 2 would be related to 1. Point two was directly addressed to your inability to click a web link and read who conducted the polling project



you didn't even know the name of the organization who conducted the poll, but felt the need to suggest some scenario that undermined their findings. Honestly, the issue of questioning data doesn't really bother me, what bugs me is that you would attempt to do so while being totally unfamiliar with the report.

Such stuff is nothing more than a trivial waste of time
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wow thats a lot of talk that says nothing

lets try again

how do some relate to the whole
nobody is saying there arent nuts out there, so where is the justification to judge the whole, thats what this whole conversation is about

bottom line, there is ZERO justification to judge the whole.

secondly my question about the data is 100% justified and logical, its not meant to do anything or undermine, its a legit question. You either know the answer or you dont. LMAO
 
FluffyNinja said:
If you can find a way to get through to him in order to make him see your point regarding the concept that the number of "violent" Muslims is highly contingent upon what actually qualifies as "violence".......then I will take my hat off to you sir.....and buy you a steak dinner!

At this point, it has been explained to him so many times, so many ways that I'm not sure if what he's exhibiting is actual lack of comprehension or just plain old intellectual dishonesty. :shrug:
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weird, this isnt being discussed so the dishonest is all on your part, this conversation started because its dishonest to condemn "muslims" based on nutballs, please keep up and stay on topic LMAO
 
Objective-J said:
wow thats a lot of talk that says nothing
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Simply ignoring the fact that I already replied to you and addressed your questions is rather petty



Objective-J said:
how do some relate to the whole
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As reads my reply above "Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter
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Objective-J said:
nobody is saying there arent nuts out there
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No one claimed you did (this is a straw man). What was claimed was that you endorsed a remark about 1 million violent muslims and that such was wrong.

here is your post clearly endorsing this remark:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550680

and you even bold the one million mark within it.



Objective-J said:
so where is the justification to judge the whole, thats what this whole conversation is about
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Actually the conversation was originally about muslim riots in Pakistan. This changed when people felt a need to try and defend such behavior by equivocating it with violence within the christian world.

My take on this has been pretty clear from the beginning: that more violence is associated with islam than christianity. During this, you endorsed a remark about "1 million muslims" at the most, being violent. Myself, I cited polling data that suggests a very significant minority takes such violent positions, or even a majority. But during this, I also clearly stressed "But with that said, it's idiotic to vilify all Muslims, even if a majority engaged in such behavior"

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...torches-christian-homes-9.html#post1061550536

Objective-J said:
bottom line, there is ZERO justification to judge the whole.
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Wait, so you're now arguing a position that I never took (another straw man) and disavowing the position you clearly adopted earlier and which I pointed out was obviously false?



Objective-J said:
secondly my question about the data is 100% justified and logical, its not meant to do anything or undermine, its a legit question. You either know the answer or you dont. LMAO
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No, it would have been a legit question if you actually attempted to at least open the link to the actual study before trying to attack it based on methodology. Doing so out of complete ignorance is more the purview of the fool
 
Objective-J said:
weird, this isnt being discussed so the dishonest is all on your part, this conversation started because its dishonest to condemn "muslims" based on nutballs, please keep up and stay on topic LMAO
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The fact that you do not understand that "this" IS what's being discussed......simply proves my point.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Simply ignoring the fact that I already replied to you and addressed your questions is rather petty





As reads my reply above "Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter





No one claimed you did (this is a straw man). What was claimed was that you endorsed a remark about 1 million violent muslims and that such was wrong.

here is your post clearly endorsing this remark:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550680

and you even bold the one million mark within it.





Actually the conversation was originally about muslim riots in Pakistan. This changed when people felt a need to try and defend such behavior by equivocating it with violence within the christian world.

My take on this has been pretty clear from the beginning: that more violence is associated with islam than christianity. During this, you endorsed a remark about "1 million muslims" at the most, being violent. Myself, I cited polling data that suggests a very significant minority takes such violent positions, or even a majority. But during this, I also clearly stressed "But with that said, it's idiotic to vilify all Muslims, even if a majority engaged in such behavior"

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...torches-christian-homes-9.html#post1061550536



Wait, so you're now arguing a position that I never took (another straw man) and disavowing the position you clearly adopted earlier and which I pointed out was obviously false?





No, it would have been a legit question if you actually attempted to at least open the link to the actual study before trying to attack it based on methodology. Doing so out of complete ignorance is more the purview of the fool
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another long post that says nothing to my point point and rapids still stands, this is no reason to lump all muslims together which the OP dishonestly did :shrug: not sure what you dont get

secondly you can continue to lie but thats all it will ever be, a lie lol i never attacked the poll, but please feel free to expose yourself and continue to make stuff up

ill repeat, this is no reason to condemn muslims as a while like the OP tried, LOL

anything else you want to try and make up or suggest i said when i didnt feel free but our original points still stand lol
 
FluffyNinja said:
The fact that you do not understand that "this" IS what's being discussed......simply proves my point.
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nope, LMAO

wow did you just try to tell ME what Im posting about??????

sorry YOU dont get to control the meaning of what i and others posted :laughat:

point being your OP is still dishonest, uneducated and or bigoted. Feel free to pick which ones.
 
Objective-J said:
nope, LMAO

wow did you just try to tell ME what Im posting about??????

sorry YOU dont get to control the meaning of what i and others posted :laughat:

point being your OP is still dishonest, uneducated and or bigoted. Feel free to pick which ones.
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Ok, well I suppose we're finished here then. I think I'll go discuss which Disney Fairy is superior with my 8-yr old daughter........it's likely to be much more intellectually stimulating than continuing this pointless discussion with you........at least the level of honesty must improve.
 
Objective-J said:
another long post that says nothing to my point point and rapids still stands, this is no reason to lump all muslims together which the OP dishonestly did :shrug: not sure what you dont get
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dude, you're reduced to simply ignoring what I write and declaring yourself the "winner"? It's not a situation that really bothers me

Objective-J said:
secondly you can continue to lie but thats all it will ever be, a lie lol i never attacked the poll, but please feel free to expose yourself and continue to make stuff up
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Well, I am unsure why else you would attempt to question it's methodology, especially when you were completely ignorant on the subject

Objective-J said:
ill repeat, this is no reason to condemn muslims as a while like the OP tried, LOL
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And I'll repeat, I specifically replied to you endorsing a comment about only one million muslims being violent. See here

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...torches-christian-homes-9.html#post1061550536


Objective-J said:
anything else you want to try and make up or suggest i said when i didnt feel free but our original points still stand lol
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Are you accusing me of hacking your account? Because I am quoting you directly and providing direct links back to your very words
 
digsbe said:
Lol 26 pages later and we are still discussing how awful Christianity is in leu of the topic being Christian homes being torched by extremists over an accusation of blaspheming Allah/Muhammad. :roll:
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't recall seeing people saying how awful Christianity is compared to Islam. Though I have seen people say that Christianity is superior and that similar atrocities have never been committed in the name of Christianity. That of course is bull****.

It's borderline disgusting. I cannot fathom why when atrocities happen people have to point fingers and say "but that group is still worse."
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It is the actions of a relative few that are wrong. Wrong is always wrong, no matter the expressed religion of those doing wrong. NO RELIGION is immune to extremists acting in its name. Others here aren't capable of seeing that.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Ok, well I suppose we're finished here then. I think I'll go discuss which Disney Fairy is superior with my 8-yr old daughter........it's likely to be much more intellectually stimulating than continuing this pointless discussion with you........at least the level of honesty must improve.
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LMAO the irony in this post is staggering since you have been the only dishonest one here :D

always telling when a poster deflects and resorts to failed insults instead of staying on topic and actually using logic to defend their failed premise :laughat:

let me know when you can justify your failed OP
 
Risky Thicket said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't recall seeing people saying how awful Christianity is compared to Islam. Though I have seen people say that Christianity is superior and that similar atrocities have never been committed in the name of Christianity. That of course is bull****.
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You made numerous equivocations between the two.



Risky Thicket said:
It is the actions of a relative few that are wrong. Wrong is always wrong, no matter the expressed religion of those doing wrong. NO RELIGION is immune to extremists acting in its name. Others here aren't capable of seeing that.
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the relative few? How do you claim 80% of the population of pakistan and egypt alone as a "relative few"? Also, while I certainly agree no religion is immune to fundamentalism and extremism, Islam has a huge ****ing problem with it at the moment.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
dude, you're reduced to simply ignoring what I write and declaring yourself the "winner"? It's not a situation that really bothers me



Well, I am unsure why else you would attempt to question it's methodology, especially when you were completely ignorant on the subject



And I'll repeat, I specifically replied to you endorsing a comment about only one million muslims being violent. See here

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...torches-christian-homes-9.html#post1061550536




Are you accusing me of hacking your account? Because I am quoting you directly and providing direct links back to your very words
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no im resorting to staying on topic to what i actually said and the points i made which was the OP is a failed concept because it dishonestly groups all muslims together in an uneducated fashion.

do you have anything to address this fact? until you do you are just talking random meaningless circles

i STILL endorse rapid's comment because i understand it and im not trying to be dishonest or bigoted and make up something about the comment thats not true.

Until you can honestly address his rational and logic point, you are wasting your time with meaningless deflections that i simply wont bite on LOL

again, i repeat, the bottom line is the OP is a failure because it groups all Muslims together, which part dont you get? This is all my words have ever said so if you would like to talk about ignorant you would need to look in the mirror. WOuld you like to address my actual comments and what the actually mean or will you continue to make stuff up and keep me laughing at you?
 
Objective-J said:
LMAO the irony in this post is staggering since you have been the only dishonest one here :D

always telling when a poster deflects and resorts to failed insults instead of staying on topic and actually using logic to defend their failed premise :laughat:

let me know when you can justify your failed OP
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Lets follow the discussion we just had:

rabidalpaca writes
RabidAlpaca said:
Your English is so broken I can't even tell what you're trying to say. Feel free to rephrase what you've written so that it is clear and legible.




I'm eagerly awaiting your personal condemnation of the holocaust on the main stream media networks.



At the absolute most you could estimate 1 million violent, radical muslims in the world. There are currently 1 billion muslims. That represents .1% of the muslim population.
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you bold the last part and respond with
Objective-J said:
shhhhhh

dont let common sense and logc get in the way of being uneducated and grouping people together in a biased and bigoted way

you're silly RA ;)
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I write
Dr. Chuckles said:
Actually places like Pakistan and Egypt poll 80% among the islamic population in support of executing people who change their religion. Which, while I wouldn't describe it as radical (because they are looking to the state for such action), it would certainly be violent
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your reply is
Objective-J said:
factual links?
whats that have to do with the billions on the planet?
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notice the shift of focus from "one million" violent muslims to know a question of "billions".
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Lets follow the discussion we just had:

rabidalpaca writes

you bold the last part and respond with

I write

your reply is

notice the shift of focus from "one million" violent muslims to know a question of "billions".
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nope, thats YOUR mistake, there is no shift, the question still remains how do SOME relate to the whole group?

the "shift" is in your head, it has always been about judging the group based on some

AGAIN i repeat, the bottom line is the OP is a failure because it groups all Muslims together, which part dont you get? This is all my words have ever said so if you would like to talk about ignorant you would need to look in the mirror. WOuld you like to address my actual comments and what the actually mean or will you continue to make stuff up and keep me laughing at you?
 
Objective-J said:
no im resorting to staying on topic to what i actually said and the points i made which was the OP is a failed concept because it dishonestly groups all muslims together in an uneducated fashion.
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The op states
FluffyNinja said:
AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes - Yahoo! News

Ah.....Islam.......ever the religion of peace! And these were even Sunnis.......who are supposed to be the "least fundamentalist" of the two main branches of the faith. :shrug:
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it makes a joke about islam being the religion of peace, it does not say all muslims engage in such violence. Also, even if Islam was a violent religion, that would not necessitate muslims to be violent. Since religion is heavily interpreted



Objective-J said:
do you have anything to address this fact? until you do you are just talking random meaningless circles
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I just did twice. For some reason you refuse to acknowledge my answers

Objective-J said:
i STILL endorse rapid's comment because i understand it and im not trying to be dishonest or bigoted and make up something about the comment thats not true.
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I have directly quoted him numerous times. He clearly wrote
RabidAlpaca said:
At the absolute most you could estimate 1 million violent, radical muslims in the world. There are currently 1 billion muslims. That represents .1% of the muslim population.
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which is obviously wrong. And I fail to see how citing research that shows it is wrong is "dishonest or bigoted"

Objective-J said:
Until you can honestly address his rational and logic point, you are wasting your time with meaningless deflections that i simply wont bite on LOL
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I addressed them, by citing polling data, when he first made them. And have addressed them about a dozen times since, by citing polling data. See here

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550694

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-15.html#post1061550712

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-16.html#post1061550755

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-19.html#post1061550905

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-20.html#post1061551025

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-21.html#post1061551089

*I'm stopping at page 21, since an exhaustive list is clearly unneccasery for me to make my point*

Objective-J said:
again, i repeat, the bottom line is the OP is a failure because it groups all Muslims together, which part dont you get? This is all my words have ever said so if you would like to talk about ignorant you would need to look in the mirror. WOuld you like to address my actual comments and what the actually mean or will you continue to make stuff up and keep me laughing at you?
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actually the op does not and you supported assertions about there only being a million religously violent muslims, at the most
 
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Objective-J said:
nope, thats YOUR mistake, there is no shift, the question still remains how do SOME relate to the whole group?

the "shift" is in your head, it has always been about judging the group based on some

AGAIN i repeat, the bottom line is the OP is a failure because it groups all Muslims together, which part dont you get? This is all my words have ever said so if you would like to talk about ignorant you would need to look in the mirror. WOuld you like to address my actual comments and what the actually mean or will you continue to make stuff up and keep me laughing at you?
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nope, going from a claim about "1 million" to now demanding evidence for "one billion" is a clear shift
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
nope, going from a claim about "1 million" to now demanding evidence for "one billion" is a clear shift
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nope, only in your head

the calim is about the irrationality of associating some with the whole group, no matter what YOU say you dont get to make ths decision LMAO

YOU dont get to decide what others are actually saying LMAO

sorry you are wrong :shrug:
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
The op states

it makes a joke about islam being the religion of peace, it does not say all muslims engage in such violence. Also, even if Islam was a violent religion, that would not necessitate muslims to be violent. Since religion is heavily interpreted





I just did twice. For some reason you refuse to acknowledge my answers



I have directly quoted him numerous times. He clearly wrote


which is obviously wrong. And I fail to see how citing research that shows it is wrong is "dishonest or bigoted"



I addressed them, by citing polling data, when he first made them. And have addressed them about a dozen times since, by citing polling data. See here

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550694

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-15.html#post1061550712

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-16.html#post1061550755

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-19.html#post1061550905

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-20.html#post1061551025

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-21.html#post1061551089

*I'm stopping at page 21, since an exhaustive list is clearly unneccasery for me to make my point*



actually the op does not and you supported assertions about there only being a million religously violent muslims, at the most
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no, you dont, you give a poll about SOME, not all

and yes the OP groups muslims together when referring to . . . . . wait for it. . . . islam LMAO

this is dishonest and uneducated
 
Objective-J said:
nope, only in your head

the calim is about the irrationality of associating some with the whole group, no matter what YOU say you dont get to make ths decision LMAO

YOU dont get to decide what others are actually saying LMAO

sorry you are wrong :shrug:
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you will notice that my position is supporting by citing data; direct quotes from you, the op, and others who engaged in this discussion; and logical argument. Your response to this is go "nu-uh~!!!", make straw man arguments, and declare yourself the victor.

One of these approaches is very 'logical"; the other is not. I'm happy letting the reader decide which is which, at this point
 
Objective-J said:
no, you dont, you give a poll about SOME, not all
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Yes, because I never made a claim about "all" and the remarks I was responding to concerned "1 million" ...


Objective-J said:
and yes the OP groups muslims together when referring to . . . . . wait for it. . . . islam LMAO
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from above: " Also, even if Islam was a violent religion, that would not necessitate muslims to be violent. Since religion is heavily interpreted"


Objective-J said:
this is dishonest and uneducated
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Well, at least we can agree on some things
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
you will notice that my position is supporting by citing data; direct quotes from you, the op, and others who engaged in this discussion; and logical argument. Your response to this is go "nu-uh~!!!", make straw man arguments, and declare yourself the victor.

One of these approaches is very 'logical"; the other is not. I'm happy letting the reader decide which is which, at this point
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again, this is factually not true at all :shrug:

i am ALSO very happy letting the reader decide LMAO

my point and rapids point still stands, condemning Islam based on the actions of some is illogical.

Let me know when this changes :shrug:

never said nu-huh, never made a strawman :shrug: my point and his have remained the same LMAO
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, because I never made a claim about "all" and the remarks I was responding to concerned "1 million" ...




from above: " Also, even if Islam was a violent religion, that would not necessitate muslims to be violent. Since religion is heavily interpreted"




Well, at least we can agree on some things
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again, you have changed nothing, the point is condemning the group based on some is illogical and im glad you agree the OP is dishonest and uneducated and that grouping muslims together based on islam is silly :shrug:
 
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