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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    vs





    does not compute
    again deflections get you no where
    my point and rabids still stands

    condemning muslims/islam based on the actions of some is illogical, this isnt going to change
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Lets follow the discussion we just had:

    rabidalpaca writes

    you bold the last part and respond with

    I write

    your reply is

    notice the shift of focus from "one million" violent muslims to know a question of "billions".
    Alright, you win. We'll come out and agree with you:

    - All muslims are violent because some are.
    - Christianity is superior because it is a religion of peace, and no christian would ever hurt anybody. If they did, all christians would be held accountable for them. (Or does that rule only apply to muslims?)
    - Pay no attention to the 1,000 year period where christians killed far, far more people in the name of their god than muslims ever have, that simply doesn't count.

    There, we agree. Is that all you wanted?
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Alright, you win. We'll come out and agree with you:

    - All muslims are violent because some are.
    - Christianity is superior because it is a religion of peace, and no christian would ever hurt anybody. If they did, all christians would be held accountable for them. (Or does that rule only apply to muslims?)
    - Pay no attention to the 1,000 year period where christians killed far, far more people in the name of their god than muslims ever have, that simply doesn't count.

    There, we agree. Is that all you wanted?
    Attributing a bunch of straw men to me doesn't actually add merit to anything you wrote here.

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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    again deflections get you no where
    my point and rabids still stands

    condemning muslims/islam based on the actions of some is illogical, this isnt going to change
    I just provided you with this quote from post 84

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    But with that said, it's idiotic to vilify all Muslims, even if a majority engaged in such behavior
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550536

    and as can be seen here

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061554115

    your original position was about 1 million muslims ...

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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I just provided you with this quote from post 84



    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550536

    and as can be seen here

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061554115

    your original position was about 1 million muslims ...
    then you agree with me and rabid about the OP

    no, my OP wass agreeing with rabid thats its illogical to condem a group on some, please try to keep up and not continue to make stuff up, your assumptions are WRONG, you simply dont get to decide what i meant LMAO, but if it makes you feel better please continue to make up what ever you like
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    The surest way to elicit some anti-Christian hate around here is to start a thread about Islam.

    How sad that in a thread about a small minority of Christians being persecuted for their faith, how some fall all over themselves by way of joining them.

    I wonder, though, if Christians in this country were to go on a rampage in Dearborn and torch the houses of innocent Muslims, would the reverse hold true?
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    then you agree with me and rabid about the OP
    Nope, I addressed that here

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The op states

    it makes a joke about islam being the religion of peace, it does not say all muslims engage in such violence. Also, even if Islam was a violent religion, that would not necessitate muslims to be violent. Since religion is heavily interpreted
    and here

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) Billion, what do you mean billion? As clearly shown in the second link, you were remarking on "At the absolute most you could estimate 1 million violent, radical muslims in the world."
    So in the effect that you have now abandoned your original position and are now arguing against a position I nor the OP never endorsed, we are in agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no, my OP wass agreeing with rabid thats its illogical to condem a group on some, please try to keep up and not continue to make stuff up, your assumptions are WRONG, you simply dont get to decide what i meant LMAO, but if it makes you feel better please continue to make up what ever you like
    here is where you quote in bold and endorse the one million number

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550680

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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The surest way to elicit some anti-Christian hate around here is to start a thread about Islam.

    How sad that in a thread about a small minority of Christians being persecuted for their faith, how some fall all over themselves by way of joining them.

    I wonder, though, if Christians in this country were to go on a rampage in Dearborn and torch the houses of innocent Muslims, would the reverse hold true?
    did you know our drone program is part of the christian jihad?

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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Attributing a bunch of straw men to me doesn't actually add merit to anything you wrote here.
    That's been the entire argument of all the christians in this thread. You guys try to hard to demonize all muslims for the actions of a few. You're trying to push an agenda, and you're just not doing it very well.

    So I'll tone the statements down and see if you agree. This has been the synopsis so far:

    - Islam is an inherently violent religion.
    - Christianity is an inherently peaceful religion.

    The argument for the first being that radical extremists represent all 1 billion muslims, and the argument for the second being "that 1,000 year period where christians killed everybody doesn't count."

    Fact is, if you want to call Islam an inherently violent religion, which you've done, you have to call christianity one as well by the very same criteria.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The surest way to elicit some anti-Christian hate around here is to start a thread about Islam.

    How sad that in a thread about a small minority of Christians being persecuted for their faith, how some fall all over themselves by way of joining them.
    It's not the thread on Islam itself that elicits the attacks, it's the inevitable christian comments like:

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Ah.....Islam.......ever the religion of peace!
    More people have been killed in the name of christianity than islam throughout our history. For 1,000 years they had no restraints. I simply find it wildly hypocritical when christians, whose religious texts are near identical to the koran, try to make the point that islam is violent, and thus wrong, and that's why we should all jump on the jesus band wagon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I wonder, though, if Christians in this country were to go on a rampage in Dearborn and torch the houses of innocent Muslims, would the reverse hold true?
    If after that attack, muslims started proclaiming that this is divine evidence that christianity is an inherently violent religion, while islam is in fact the religion of peace, ignoring everything that's happened, ever. Then yes, I would jump on board to point out their hypocrisy as well.
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's been the entire argument of all the christians in this thread. You guys try to hard to demonize all muslims for the actions of a few. You're trying to push an agenda, and you're just not doing it very well.
    I have told you many times before I am not a christian. I am also lost on how other people arguments can be attributed to me, unless I take steps to explicitly endorse them

    In fact, I have taken clear steps to highlight the fact I was not talking about "all muslims"

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550536

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So I'll tone the statements down and see if you agree. This has been the synopsis so far:

    - Islam is an inherently violent religion.
    - Christianity is an inherently peaceful religion.
    Islam is a pretty violent religion. Because it was deeply concerned with the formation and function of the state and has it's origins within a cultural and temporal context that was extremely violent. However, as I have already mentioned that doesn't translate to all Muslims being violent though, because it is still "interpreted"

    Not sure about Christianity. Being that it eventually became associated with various empires and govts, but there is seemingly nothing inherently endorsing such a relationship within it. And as can be seen from the below post, I never claimed it was immune to religious violence

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550621

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The argument for the first being that radical extremists represent all 1 billion muslims, and the argument for the second being "that 1,000 year period where christians killed everybody doesn't count."
    Maybe the problem is that you are trying to compare the modern practice of islam, and discussions about that, with the ancient history of the other? This rather underlines an inherent weakness in the argument. Not to mention, the fact that you originally made a claim about "one million violent muslims" that is worlds different than the position you are now adopting and trying to defend. See below

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550548



    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Fact is, if you want to call Islam an inherently violent religion, which you've done, you have to call christianity one as well by the very same criteria.
    1) Well, before now, I don't think I have claimed it as inherently violent. So can you source such a remark from anywhere besides this very post?


    2) They are drastically different religions: there is religious doctrine dealing with navel warfare within islam and codified conduct on religious status, citizenship, and rights.

    I'm not familiar with anything similar within Christianity, likely because Christianity wasn't concerned with forming a functioning state among a violent group of desert nomads, from it's earliest days
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