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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550694

    2) It highlights large segments of the world islamic population supports fundamentally violent interpretations of their religion

    3) The post you were offering an opinion on made a remark about 1 million violent muslims at the most. See here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550680

    Pakistan has 177 milion people, with 96% being muslim. That would mean there are many more than a million muslims, in pakistan alone, who support executing people for changing their religion
    again how does this translate to the billion? secondly who did the polling? did people answer based on fear of getting killed by extremists?
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

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    again how does this translate to the billion? secondly who did the polling? did people answer based on fear of getting killed by extremists?

    1) Billion, what do you mean billion? As clearly shown in the second link, you were remarking on "At the absolute most you could estimate 1 million violent, radical muslims in the world."

    2) They are findings from about 6 different polls done as part of Pew's global attitudes project

    3) Shouldn't you actually inform yourself about the study's content before trying to attack it?

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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) Billion, what do you mean billion? As clearly shown in the second link, you were remarking on "At the absolute most you could estimate 1 million violent, radical muslims in the world."

    2) They are findings from about 6 different polls done as part of Pew's global attitudes project

    3) Shouldn't you actually inform yourself about the study's content before trying to attack it?
    1.) what it means is what we have all been saying, its about the billion+ muslims on the planet.

    how do SOME relate to the whole? what does it "factually" tell us? nothing

    2.) see 1.)

    3.) good thing this factually did not happen, i asked a honest logical question, there was no attack, is there something else you would like to make up or do you know the factual answer to my question?
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) what it means is what we have all been saying, its about the billion+ muslims on the planet.
    I really don't understand what you are trying to say? Yes, I am well aware that there are over a billion muslims. However, the remark you quoted and offered support to mentioned one million violent Muslims (it's quoted in the very post you responded here and a direct link is provided further back). As explained, if we can classify support, for executing people over leaving islam, as violence then there are many more than one million violent muslims in Pakistan alone, and you would be clearly wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    how do SOME relate to the whole? what does it "factually" tell us? nothing
    Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    2.) see 1.)
    I'm not seeing how my answer to 2 would be related to 1. Point two was directly addressed to your inability to click a web link and read who conducted the polling project

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    3.) good thing this factually did not happen, i asked a honest logical question, there was no attack, is there something else you would like to make up or do you know the factual answer to my question?
    you didn't even know the name of the organization who conducted the poll, but felt the need to suggest some scenario that undermined their findings. Honestly, the issue of questioning data doesn't really bother me, what bugs me is that you would attempt to do so while being totally unfamiliar with the report.

    Such stuff is nothing more than a trivial waste of time

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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I really don't understand what you are trying to say? Yes, I am well aware that there are over a billion muslims. However, the remark you quoted and offered support to mentioned one million violent Muslims (it's quoted in the very post you responded here and a direct link is provided further back). As explained, if we can classify support, for executing people over leaving islam, as violence then there are many more than one million violent muslims in Pakistan alone, and you would be clearly wrong



    Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter



    I'm not seeing how my answer to 2 would be related to 1. Point two was directly addressed to your inability to click a web link and read who conducted the polling project



    you didn't even know the name of the organization who conducted the poll, but felt the need to suggest some scenario that undermined their findings. Honestly, the issue of questioning data doesn't really bother me, what bugs me is that you would attempt to do so while being totally unfamiliar with the report.

    Such stuff is nothing more than a trivial waste of time
    If you can find a way to get through to him in order to make him see your point regarding the concept that the number of "violent" Muslims is highly contingent upon what actually qualifies as "violence".......then I will take my hat off to you sir.....and buy you a steak dinner!

    At this point, it has been explained to him so many times, so many ways that I'm not sure if what he's exhibiting is actual lack of comprehension or just plain old intellectual dishonesty.
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I really don't understand what you are trying to say? Yes, I am well aware that there are over a billion muslims. However, the remark you quoted and offered support to mentioned one million violent Muslims (it's quoted in the very post you responded here and a direct link is provided further back). As explained, if we can classify support, for executing people over leaving islam, as violence then there are many more than one million violent muslims in Pakistan alone, and you would be clearly wrong



    Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter



    I'm not seeing how my answer to 2 would be related to 1. Point two was directly addressed to your inability to click a web link and read who conducted the polling project



    you didn't even know the name of the organization who conducted the poll, but felt the need to suggest some scenario that undermined their findings. Honestly, the issue of questioning data doesn't really bother me, what bugs me is that you would attempt to do so while being totally unfamiliar with the report.

    Such stuff is nothing more than a trivial waste of time
    wow thats a lot of talk that says nothing

    lets try again

    how do some relate to the whole
    nobody is saying there arent nuts out there, so where is the justification to judge the whole, thats what this whole conversation is about

    bottom line, there is ZERO justification to judge the whole.

    secondly my question about the data is 100% justified and logical, its not meant to do anything or undermine, its a legit question. You either know the answer or you dont. LMAO
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    If you can find a way to get through to him in order to make him see your point regarding the concept that the number of "violent" Muslims is highly contingent upon what actually qualifies as "violence".......then I will take my hat off to you sir.....and buy you a steak dinner!

    At this point, it has been explained to him so many times, so many ways that I'm not sure if what he's exhibiting is actual lack of comprehension or just plain old intellectual dishonesty.
    weird, this isnt being discussed so the dishonest is all on your part, this conversation started because its dishonest to condemn "muslims" based on nutballs, please keep up and stay on topic LMAO
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    wow thats a lot of talk that says nothing
    Simply ignoring the fact that I already replied to you and addressed your questions is rather petty



    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    how do some relate to the whole
    As reads my reply above "Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nobody is saying there arent nuts out there
    No one claimed you did (this is a straw man). What was claimed was that you endorsed a remark about 1 million violent muslims and that such was wrong.

    here is your post clearly endorsing this remark:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550680

    and you even bold the one million mark within it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    so where is the justification to judge the whole, thats what this whole conversation is about
    Actually the conversation was originally about muslim riots in Pakistan. This changed when people felt a need to try and defend such behavior by equivocating it with violence within the christian world.

    My take on this has been pretty clear from the beginning: that more violence is associated with islam than christianity. During this, you endorsed a remark about "1 million muslims" at the most, being violent. Myself, I cited polling data that suggests a very significant minority takes such violent positions, or even a majority. But during this, I also clearly stressed "But with that said, it's idiotic to vilify all Muslims, even if a majority engaged in such behavior"

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550536

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    bottom line, there is ZERO justification to judge the whole.
    Wait, so you're now arguing a position that I never took (another straw man) and disavowing the position you clearly adopted earlier and which I pointed out was obviously false?



    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    secondly my question about the data is 100% justified and logical, its not meant to do anything or undermine, its a legit question. You either know the answer or you dont. LMAO
    No, it would have been a legit question if you actually attempted to at least open the link to the actual study before trying to attack it based on methodology. Doing so out of complete ignorance is more the purview of the fool

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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    weird, this isnt being discussed so the dishonest is all on your part, this conversation started because its dishonest to condemn "muslims" based on nutballs, please keep up and stay on topic LMAO
    The fact that you do not understand that "this" IS what's being discussed......simply proves my point.
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    Re: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Simply ignoring the fact that I already replied to you and addressed your questions is rather petty





    As reads my reply above "Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter





    No one claimed you did (this is a straw man). What was claimed was that you endorsed a remark about 1 million violent muslims and that such was wrong.

    here is your post clearly endorsing this remark:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550680

    and you even bold the one million mark within it.





    Actually the conversation was originally about muslim riots in Pakistan. This changed when people felt a need to try and defend such behavior by equivocating it with violence within the christian world.

    My take on this has been pretty clear from the beginning: that more violence is associated with islam than christianity. During this, you endorsed a remark about "1 million muslims" at the most, being violent. Myself, I cited polling data that suggests a very significant minority takes such violent positions, or even a majority. But during this, I also clearly stressed "But with that said, it's idiotic to vilify all Muslims, even if a majority engaged in such behavior"

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061550536



    Wait, so you're now arguing a position that I never took (another straw man) and disavowing the position you clearly adopted earlier and which I pointed out was obviously false?





    No, it would have been a legit question if you actually attempted to at least open the link to the actual study before trying to attack it based on methodology. Doing so out of complete ignorance is more the purview of the fool
    another long post that says nothing to my point point and rapids still stands, this is no reason to lump all muslims together which the OP dishonestly did not sure what you dont get

    secondly you can continue to lie but thats all it will ever be, a lie lol i never attacked the poll, but please feel free to expose yourself and continue to make stuff up

    ill repeat, this is no reason to condemn muslims as a while like the OP tried, LOL

    anything else you want to try and make up or suggest i said when i didnt feel free but our original points still stand lol
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