Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

[MMC]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Flight attendants, pilots, federal air marshals and even insurance companies are part of a growing backlash to the Transportation Security Administration's new policy allowing passengers to carry small knives and sports equipment like souvenir baseball bats and golf clubs onto planes.

The new policy, which goes into effect on April 25, permits folding knives with blades that are 2.36 inches or less in length and are less than 1/2-inch wide. The policy is aimed at allowing passengers to carry pen knives, corkscrews with small blades and other small knives.

Passengers also will be allowed to include in their carry-on luggage novelty-sized baseball bats less than 24 inches long, toy plastic bats, billiard cues, ski poles, hockey sticks, lacrosse sticks and two golf clubs. Items like box cutters and razor blades are still prohibited.

Not all flights, however, have federal air marshals or armed pilots onboard.

Rather, "acts of aberrant, abusive and abnormal passenger behavior known as air rage remain the most persistent threat to aviation security," he said.

The International Air Transport Association recently reported that the incidence of air rage cases was way up, with an estimated 10,000-plus such events annually, Thomas said.

Adler, representing the air marshals, said aviation security is neither "terrorist proof nor psycho proof," and both should be protected against.....snip~

Backlash grows to allowing knives, clubs on planes - Yahoo! News

Yet box cutters and razor blades are still prohibited :roll: .....It appears they will ask Congress to block the policy change by the TSA. Here we are being told these weapons cannot bring down a plane, yet they admit all planes don't have air marshals nor pilots with guns. Those little baseball bats could do some damage. So I don't think they can say a plane couldn't be taken over for sure.

Which then again it is okay to bring knives that can still do damage and way more than a boxcutter can. Airline Rage is up and do they think it will decrease with more flights?

But then it is okay to drink on planes. Should we allow Airlines to pass out Alcohol anymore? So now we can have weapons, while getting intoxicated over 10,000 feet, yet peoples public safety isn't compromised? We know we will end up having some Nuts attack someone. Some stewardess, or co pliot, and more than likely another passenger. Already we hear of planes being diverted and landing due to some unruly passenger. Or due to something they said even. But again.....I don't see how this still isn't forcing a plane down.

So the Question I have is.....Should we be Allowed to Drink Alcohol on Airlines.

1. Yes....at least a 2 drink minimum to calm nerves so I don't punch that lib/con in the back of the head this whole flight.
2. No.....Safety first, take anything that looks dangerous.
3. Don't know.....Don't care just let me have a cigarette.
4. What about the pilots.....if we cant drink then they shouldn't.
5. Can I still get Rum Cake?

 

[MMC]

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[Medusa]

of course not .we are already on the air :lol:

 

[GottaGo]

I have several extended family members as flight attendants. They are furious about this idea. They would be the ones supseptable to injury or hostage position if someone were so inclined.

Adding alcohol to the mix, and it could get very nasty.

 

[GottaGo]

Okay.....I'll throw in a Bonus

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They'll notice if you try to join the Mile High Club? Them, and a couple odd hundred passengers, lol. :wink:

 

[Helix]

two drink minimum. I don't want to fly with a bunch of teetotalers. plus, the alcohol might make teething babies quieter.

 

[penn1954]

I voted for drinks but in my smoking days I needed a cigarette much worse!!:lamo

 

[MaggieD]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Flight attendants, pilots, federal air marshals and even insurance companies are part of a growing backlash to the Transportation Security Administration's new policy allowing passengers to carry small knives and sports equipment like souvenir baseball bats and golf clubs onto planes.

The new policy, which goes into effect on April 25, permits folding knives with blades that are 2.36 inches or less in length and are less than 1/2-inch wide. The policy is aimed at allowing passengers to carry pen knives, corkscrews with small blades and other small knives.

Passengers also will be allowed to include in their carry-on luggage novelty-sized baseball bats less than 24 inches long, toy plastic bats, billiard cues, ski poles, hockey sticks, lacrosse sticks and two golf clubs. Items like box cutters and razor blades are still prohibited.

Not all flights, however, have federal air marshals or armed pilots onboard.

Rather, "acts of aberrant, abusive and abnormal passenger behavior known as air rage remain the most persistent threat to aviation security," he said.

The International Air Transport Association recently reported that the incidence of air rage cases was way up, with an estimated 10,000-plus such events annually, Thomas said.

Adler, representing the air marshals, said aviation security is neither "terrorist proof nor psycho proof," and both should be protected against.....snip~

Backlash grows to allowing knives, clubs on planes - Yahoo! News

Yet box cutters and razor blades are still prohibited :roll: .....It appears they will ask Congress to block the policy change by the TSA. Here we are being told these weapons cannot bring down a plane, yet they admit all planes don't have air marshals nor pilots with guns. Those little baseball bats could do some damage. So I don't think they can say a plane couldn't be taken over for sure.

Which then again it is okay to bring knives that can still do damage and way more than a boxcutter can. Airline Rage is up and do they think it will decrease with more flights?

But then it is okay to drink on planes. Should we allow Airlines to pass out Alcohol anymore? So now we can have weapons, while getting intoxicated over 10,000 feet, yet peoples public safety isn't compromised? We know we will end up having some Nuts attack someone. Some stewardess, or co pliot, and more than likely another passenger. Already we hear of planes being diverted and landing due to some unruly passenger. Or due to something they said even. But again.....I don't see how this still isn't forcing a plane down.

So the Question I have is.....Should we be Allowed to Drink Alcohol on Airlines.

1. Yes....at least a 2 drink minimum to calm nerves so I don't punch that lib/con in the back of the head this whole flight.
2. No.....Safety first, take anything that looks dangerous.
3. Don't know.....Don't care just let me have a cigarette.
4. What about the pilots.....if we cant drink then they shouldn't.
5. Can I still get Rum Cake?

Well, I think if one isn't allowed to have alcohol on planes, they'll just load up at the airport bar. Two drink maximum and none if one appears intoxicated would seem reasonable. Stiff fines for those who cause a problem on a plane...posted "rules of the road," if you will, at boarding. That's my uneducated opinion.

Frankly, I think the flight attendants are in the best position to call the shot on this one. They are in the front lines and know one helluva lot more about consequences of in-flight drinking than anyone here. I couldn't care any less which way it goes.

As for knives, souvenir baseball bats and the like? I think TSA is nutz. If it's too time-consuming to collect them all, they should fine people $25 an item and use that to fund their added needed security to enforce. Don't have the $25 right-then-right-there? You don't fly.

 

[humbolt]

Absolutely no alcoholic beverages - IV's only. And if you have an IV, you must also be gagged and blindfolded. Anyone demonstrating air rage should be thrown off the plane immediately. I could clean this mess up in a day.

 

[polgara]

Absolutely no alcoholic beverages - IV's only. And if you have an IV, you must also be gagged and blindfolded. Anyone demonstrating air rage should be thrown off the plane immediately. I could clean this mess up in a day.

Good morning, Humbolt.

Agreed. If the threat of being thrown off the plane at 35,000 feet doesn't serve as an incentive to good behavior, I don't know what will! Although you will have your inevitable whiners who would ask for a parachute. They should just be told there is no money for extras like that!

 

[humbolt]

Good morning, Humbolt.

Agreed. If the threat of being thrown off the plane at 35,000 feet doesn't serve as an incentive to good behavior, I don't know what will! Although you will have your inevitable whiners who would ask for a parachute. They should just be told there is no money for extras like that!

We always seem to start out with these things believing people will act in an acceptable manner, and of course there's always the bad actors that take advantage of that. If we would let it be known that unacceptable behavior will be dealt with harshly and summarily, much of it would stop. Permanent denial of flying privileges seems reasonable to me at the first instance of such behavior. Some people just need to have their asses kicked.

 

[AreteCourage]

I actually want to abolish the Department of Homeland Security, and the TSA. Leave airport security up to the airports.

I'm so sick of hearing about TSA officials frisking some elderly, disabled, or young person for ridiculous reasons. That elderly woman isn't going to knit an Afghan....that man in the wheelchair won't have bombs in his crap bag...and that child isn't about to launch a mustard gas bomb from her Barbie!

It is all so infuriating

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Good luck killing 1 person with a non-lockable pocket knife or golf club... You are more likely to cut your own finger off trying to assault with a non-lock pocket knife and can only depend on little light slashing motions that would really only cut up forearms a bit. You cant even swing a golfclub in a plane plus it would be very easy to get to the outside or inside of the weighted part of the club. With a golf club you would have to land "that one strike" unless someone was just passively standing there doing nothing.

 

[Henrin]

Remember how many innocents there were before TSA? I mean, stuff happened all the time. What was that? Are you saying things didn't happen all the time?

Hmm...

 

[polgara]

We always seem to start out with these things believing people will act in an acceptable manner, and of course there's always the bad actors that take advantage of that. If we would let it be known that unacceptable behavior will be dealt with harshly and summarily, much of it would stop. Permanent denial of flying privileges seems reasonable to me at the first instance of such behavior. Some people just need to have their asses kicked.

Agreed. So why does it seem we cater to the troublemakers? Political Correctness gone wrong....Sheesh!

 

[Zyphlin]

How did I realize that self important ass who ignorantly thinks he speaks for the entire workforce would be the individual mentioned the moment I saw reference to the Air Marshals.

FFS. Sorry, Jon Adler drives me crazy.

 

[MMC]

I have several extended family members as flight attendants. They are furious about this idea. They would be the ones supseptable to injury or hostage position if someone were so inclined.

Adding alcohol to the mix, and it could get very nasty.

Indeed it could get nasty especially if they are on some sort of medication and then they mix the Alcohol with them.....although with Air Rage we see how they divert the plane for the landing. With either the Pilots or the flight attendants calling the police to inform them.

 

[MMC]

They'll notice if you try to join the Mile High Club? Them, and a couple odd hundred passengers, lol. :wink:

this sounds like ya is speaking from experience. Anything else we should know that could give us away? :lol:

 

[MMC]

Well, I think if one isn't allowed to have alcohol on planes, they'll just load up at the airport bar. Two drink maximum and none if one appears intoxicated would seem reasonable. Stiff fines for those who cause a problem on a plane...posted "rules of the road," if you will, at boarding. That's my uneducated opinion.

Frankly, I think the flight attendants are in the best position to call the shot on this one. They are in the front lines and know one helluva lot more about consequences of in-flight drinking than anyone here. I couldn't care any less which way it goes.

As for knives, souvenir baseball bats and the like? I think TSA is nutz. If it's too time-consuming to collect them all, they should fine people $25 an item and use that to fund their added needed security to enforce. Don't have the $25 right-then-right-there? You don't fly.

I would agree with you Maggie.....plus the flight attendants are more apt to notice someone that isn't acting Right or may be confrontational. As they are on the front lines. I was told they were taking a class to notice certain things that are out of place.

 

[Lutherf]

Hell yes alcohol should be allowed on planes and this uproar over knives is ridiculous. Doesn't anybody remember life before 9/11?

 

[MMC]

Good morning, Humbolt.

Agreed. If the threat of being thrown off the plane at 35,000 feet doesn't serve as an incentive to good behavior, I don't know what will! Although you will have your inevitable whiners who would ask for a parachute. They should just be told there is no money for extras like that!

Good afternoon Lady Polgara.....back in the day. I use to take my chute with me. Not that I would be about starting any trouble. Just sayin.

 

[GottaGo]

this sounds like ya is speaking from experience. Anything else we should know that could give us away? :lol:

I've never experienced what they are talking about, other than laughing when someone got busted for it. The bathroom doors are paper thin anyway! :wink:

 

[MMC]

I actually want to abolish the Department of Homeland Security, and the TSA. Leave airport security up to the airports.

I'm so sick of hearing about TSA officials frisking some elderly, disabled, or young person for ridiculous reasons. That elderly woman isn't going to knit an Afghan....that man in the wheelchair won't have bombs in his crap bag...and that child isn't about to launch a mustard gas bomb from her Barbie!

It is all so infuriating

I would definitely agree with you on getting Rid of Both.....good thing people are recording and catching the TSA. I saw that one piece on the TSA searching a 3yr old girl in a wheelchair. The little girl was crying the whole time plus she had spinal bifada and the TSA is trying to get her to raise her arms. What about a jerks. It's chit just like that that makes one want to go off on a TSA piece of meat.

 

[Northern Light]

A family member of mine works in the insurance industry and she said that airplane staff have the highest propensity for alcoholism of any employment demographic. She has flight attendants and pilots on disability for alcohol addiction up the wazoo who are attending AA.

(Dentists apparently have the highest suicide rate.)

 

[MMC]

Good luck killing 1 person with a non-lockable pocket knife or golf club... You are more likely to cut your own finger off trying to assault with a non-lock pocket knife and can only depend on little light slashing motions that would really only cut up forearms a bit. You cant even swing a golfclub in a plane plus it would be very easy to get to the outside or inside of the weighted part of the club. With a golf club you would have to land "that one strike" unless someone was just passively standing there doing nothing.

But what about those lil Souvenir bats? Somebody could get killed getting hit in the head with that.