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Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

Should We be Allowed to Drink Alcohol On Airlines?

  • Yes....at least a 2 drink minimum

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • No, Safety first, take anything that looks dangerous

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Don't know.....Don't care just let me have a cigarette.

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • What about the pilots, if we cant drink then they shouldn't.

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Can I still get Rum Cake

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    17
As for knives, souvenir baseball bats and the like? I think TSA is nutz. If it's too time-consuming to collect them all, they should fine people $25 an item and use that to fund their added needed security to enforce. Don't have the $25 right-then-right-there? You don't fly.

I'm misunderstanding you it seems. You seemingly are saying that it's stupid to try to take away small knives, souvenir baseball bats, etc...and then call TSA nuts, despite the fact that they are no longer trying to take away small knives, souvenir baseball bats, etc.
 
Remember how many innocents there were before TSA? I mean, stuff happened all the time. What was that? Are you saying things didn't happen all the time?

Hmm...

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I've never experienced what they are talking about, other than laughing when someone got busted for it. The bathroom doors are paper thin anyway! :wink:

Well, if ya gots family that are flight attendants.....I am sure they could give you some good stories. Plus what the Airlines are doing, huh?
 
How did I realize that self important ass who ignorantly thinks he speaks for the entire workforce would be the individual mentioned the moment I saw reference to the Air Marshals.

FFS. Sorry, Jon Adler drives me crazy.

Why does he do this to you? What did he say that you disagree with?
 
Hell yes alcohol should be allowed on planes and this uproar over knives is ridiculous. Doesn't anybody remember life before 9/11?

But what if people are on Meds? Can some people get a good buzz going with 2 drinks? Although can't a passanger now as is get more than two drinks?
 
A family member of mine works in the insurance industry and she said that airplane staff have the highest propensity for alcoholism of any employment demographic. She has flight attendants and pilots on disability for alcohol addiction up the wazoo who are attending AA.

(Dentists apparently have the highest suicide rate.)

Flight attendants that gets drunks? Ya means the goilz in heelz and those Short skirts?
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Fact is airports where safe before the government ran in to save the day, but for some reason people think the government is needed now. We had one event and the government came in with their superman costume on to save the day, but everything was fine before they arrived.
 
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I'm misunderstanding you it seems. You seemingly are saying that it's stupid to try to take away small knives, souvenir baseball bats, etc...and then call TSA nuts, despite the fact that they are no longer trying to take away small knives, souvenir baseball bats, etc.

Yeah, I could see how one could interpret it that way. To clarify, I think TSA is nuts to drop the ban. A 2" blade held to the carotid of a flight attendant is just as deadly as a 10" one. As to baseball bats? Who the HELL needs to carry on a baseball bat??
 
Why does he do this to you? What did he say that you disagree with?

As I said, based on my experience with the guy he's a self-important ass with a major ego that ignorantly assumes he speaks for the entire workforce of the FAM Service simply because of his position he got largely through political ties (rather than any kind of work force vote) with an organization that the entire workforce is not necessarily a member of.
 
I would definitely agree with you on getting Rid of Both.....good thing people are recording and catching the TSA. I saw that one piece on the TSA searching a 3yr old girl in a wheelchair. The little girl was crying the whole time plus she had spinal bifada and the TSA is trying to get her to raise her arms. What about a jerks. It's chit just like that that makes one want to go off on a TSA piece of meat.

I've yelled a few times a couple of them for inappropriate behavior. I was wearing an expensive pair of shoes and made a crack at them "I Spent over a hundred bucks on these shoes...you think I'm going to blow them up? You people are out of your damn minds."

I saw a story of one guy who just showed up at the airport with a thong....it was to show he wasn't bringing anything on board.

I can't stand these rent-a-cop TSA agents. I would love to see them back in the malls where they belong.
 
I've yelled a few times a couple of them for inappropriate behavior. I was wearing an expensive pair of shoes and made a crack at them "I Spent over a hundred bucks on these shoes...you think I'm going to blow them up? You people are out of your damn minds."

I saw a story of one guy who just showed up at the airport with a thong....it was to show he wasn't bringing anything on board.

I can't stand these rent-a-cop TSA agents. I would love to see them back in the malls where they belong.

Do you have a list of other authority figures you can't stand?
 
Yeah, I could see how one could interpret it that way. To clarify, I think TSA is nuts to drop the ban. A 2" blade held to the carotid of a flight attendant is just as deadly as a 10" one. As to baseball bats? Who the HELL needs to carry on a baseball bat??

I have my lucky Louisville Slugger in case someone wants to try something...what?
 
Do you have a list of other authority figures you can't stand?

People that touch him and search him without cause I would imagine is high on his list.
 
Fact is airports where safe before the government ran in to save the day, but for some reason people think the government is needed now. We had one event and the government came in with their superman costume on to save the day, but everything was fine before they arrived.



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Yeah, I could see how one could interpret it that way. To clarify, I think TSA is nuts to drop the ban. A 2" blade held to the carotid of a flight attendant is just as deadly as a 10" one. As to baseball bats? Who the HELL needs to carry on a baseball bat??

To me, unfortunately, they're in a no win situation.

On one hand, they've been trying to understand and respect the notion that the public doesn't like all the restrictions on flying and wants to see it get better. That's why over the years they've instituted things like the TSA approved laptop bags that you don't need to remove your computer from, TSA Pre Check service that speeds up and simplifies the screening process, updated screening procedures simplifying things for those under 12 and over 75, massive roll out of a Behavior Detection Program, etc. Hell, even the new "body scanners" and such that has been the controversy of recent years in part came about because early on people were complaining that so much of the work and scanning was done with "old technology" and "physical stuff" and complaining that they needed to find a faster way using technology to check for things. The removal of restrictions on things like Swiss Army Knives fall in that same route. They are actions and endeavors by TSA over the years to attempt and acknowledge some of the public's issues with screening and try and expedite, simplify, and improve the process through making it easier on those undergoing it.

On the other hand, each time they do something like this typically all that happens is people continue to bitch about how horrible TSA is and/or shift from the original complaint that helped perpetuate the fix to some degree to a new complaint ABOUT the fix. This, again, is a wonderful example of this. TSA actually loosens restrictions...and then people complain that TSA is loosening the restriction.

Ultimately, and this is where people in the article miss the point, TSA's mission and goal is the ensure the safety and integrity of the nations Transportation Network. While possible physical altercations and violations of the law on an airplane is a serious thing...and mind you, something a specific office in TSA IS aimed in part at dealing with...it is the more minor portion of it's goal. This is because a guy being drunk and stupidly stabbing a flight attendant is not going to cause a disruption in the nations transportation system, it's going to at most have a very localized impact. TSA's biggest focuses are on things that WILL cause that disruption...that's why I suggested in another thread that I don't see the outside liquid containers regulation going away anytime soon, because the potential threat it poses in terms of IED's is a FAR greater threat.

Thanks to expansions in the Air Marshal Program since 9/11, the expansion in the Federal Flight Deck Officer program, the new armored and locked cockpit doors and regulations regarding how/when to open them, and other such things the dangers of a mildly armed individual on a plane taking it over has been reduced to a certain degree. While it is still a threat and a danger, the other factors help mitigate that threat to a point where TSA felt it could loosen some of it's restrictions in the name of balancing security with ease of travel.
 
Yeah, I could see how one could interpret it that way. To clarify, I think TSA is nuts to drop the ban. A 2" blade held to the carotid of a flight attendant is just as deadly as a 10" one. As to baseball bats? Who the HELL needs to carry on a baseball bat??

That's Right Maggie.....as well as a shot to the Temple or into the eye. Plus didn't we have some guy here in Chicago that got cracked in the head with one of those souvenir bats? I remember he died.
 
Good afternoon Lady Polgara.....back in the day. I use to take my chute with me. Not that I would be about starting any trouble. Just sayin. ;)

Good afternoon, MMC.

Oh, I definitely agree that it's always better to have a chute and not need it! Who knows when you might get the odd feeling that you need to make a quick exit, and if you're at 35,000 feet, I shudder to think of the problems you'd have if you only had an umbrella between you and the ground. It may have worked for Mary Poppins, but I personally wouldn't chance it! And if you're near the coast, you're definitely going to need both hands to fight off the seagulls who probably see you as a threat. Some things never change.... :lamo
 
Agreed. So why does it seem we cater to the troublemakers? Political Correctness gone wrong....Sheesh! :(
The skies are supposed to be friendly, but I guess we're going to have to fight for it - the old fighting for peace thing.
 
Good afternoon, MMC.

Oh, I definitely agree that it's always better to have a chute and not need it! Who knows when you might get the odd feeling that you need to make a quick exit, and if you're at 35,000 feet, I shudder to think of the problems you'd have if you only had an umbrella between you and the ground. It may have worked for Mary Poppins, but I personally wouldn't chance it! And if you're near the coast, you're definitely going to need both hands to fight off the seagulls who probably see you as a threat. Some things never change.... :lamo

You would also need an oxygen supply at that altitude. TSA might not be as receptive to that. :twocents:
 
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