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Thread: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ever see the Commercial for Korean Air Lines?



    Talk about a Plane.....although is that a Pepsi Logo?



    I luv the part where they say.....Pledging!
    I'd go with that. Never flew 'em, but I sure wouldn't mind.

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm in favor of allowing adults to have adult items, and expecting and requiring them to act responsibly with them but not to deprive them of said objects until they do.
    In my experience, we have to require before we can expect. Once that's settled, we can all breathe a little easier. Dealing with the outliers is easy. The problems occur when every jerk believes he or she has a right to be one.

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    In my experience, we have to require before we can expect. Once that's settled, we can all breathe a little easier. Dealing with the outliers is easy. The problems occur when every jerk believes he or she has a right to be one.

    Hmm. I'd put it a little differently: I believe rights are rights.... but every right comes with an iron-clad RESPONSIBILITY welded to it.


    I have a right to carry a gun... but I'm responsible for every bullet that comes out of the barrel.



    I think where we screwed up is when we let people think they had a RIGHT to be a Jackass... and to do so without reaping the consequences of their Jackassery.

    If we started early with "Don't be needlessly rude to people who might bust you in the mouth for it," and made sure that it was understood that "If you go to a hole-in-the-wall bar ALONE and get staggering drunk at 3AM and do a strip-tease in front of the four scruffy-looking drunks who are still there, don't be shocked if something BAD happens to you," ......

    ... then we probably wouldn't have to explain to people "if you SCARE the other passengers on a plane while it is in the air, they will probably beat the snot out of you and have you arrested."

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hmm. I'd put it a little differently: I believe rights are rights.... but every right comes with an iron-clad RESPONSIBILITY welded to it.


    I have a right to carry a gun... but I'm responsible for every bullet that comes out of the barrel.



    I think where we screwed up is when we let people think they had a RIGHT to be a Jackass... and to do so without reaping the consequences of their Jackassery.

    If we started early with "Don't be needlessly rude to people who might bust you in the mouth for it," and made sure that it was understood that "If you go to a hole-in-the-wall bar ALONE and get staggering drunk at 3AM and do a strip-tease in front of the four scruffy-looking drunks who are still there, don't be shocked if something BAD happens to you," ......

    ... then we probably wouldn't have to explain to people "if you SCARE the other passengers on a plane while it is in the air, they will probably beat the snot out of you and have you arrested."
    I like your version better than mine.

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hmm. I'd put it a little differently: I believe rights are rights.... but every right comes with an iron-clad RESPONSIBILITY welded to it.


    I have a right to carry a gun... but I'm responsible for every bullet that comes out of the barrel.



    I think where we screwed up is when we let people think they had a RIGHT to be a Jackass... and to do so without reaping the consequences of their Jackassery.

    If we started early with "Don't be needlessly rude to people who might bust you in the mouth for it," and made sure that it was understood that "If you go to a hole-in-the-wall bar ALONE and get staggering drunk at 3AM and do a strip-tease in front of the four scruffy-looking drunks who are still there, don't be shocked if something BAD happens to you," ......

    ... then we probably wouldn't have to explain to people "if you SCARE the other passengers on a plane while it is in the air, they will probably beat the snot out of you and have you arrested."
    Excellent post! And I learned a new word today that I may use in the future... "jackassery." Sums things up very succinctly!

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hmm. I'd put it a little differently: I believe rights are rights.... but every right comes with an iron-clad RESPONSIBILITY welded to it.


    I have a right to carry a gun... but I'm responsible for every bullet that comes out of the barrel.



    I think where we screwed up is when we let people think they had a RIGHT to be a Jackass... and to do so without reaping the consequences of their Jackassery.
    I agree right up to there....

    If we started early with "Don't be needlessly rude to people who might bust you in the mouth for it," and made sure that it was understood that "If you go to a hole-in-the-wall bar ALONE and get staggering drunk at 3AM and do a strip-tease in front of the four scruffy-looking drunks who are still there, don't be shocked if something BAD happens to you," ......
    Absolutely not. Getting the crap beaten out of you for direct actions is one thing. This sounds suspiciously like you are saying 'you wore a short skirt, so you deserved to be raped'. So if a guy gets falling down drunk, but does nothing to directing confront in a bilergerent mannerother people, he should be anally raped perhaps?
    Building block or stumbling block.... choose.

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    If a guy was bragging about his high paying job, flashing his Rolex and iPhone around, and paying in 100s as he gets **** faced, and then tries to stumble alone to his car or public transportation at 3 in the morning I'd say he shouldn't be shocked if he gets mugged and robbed. Doesn't deserve it, doesn't "have it coming" but it's not shocking based on the combination of decisions he made and the realities of the situation around him.

    I think goshins point, and I'm sure hell correct me if I'm wrong, is that we've gone so far over the edge in trying to be sure we don't "blame victims" that we've reached a point of ignoring the reality that the culmination of ones actions can help facilitate a bad situation occurring and that just because you CAN act a certain way doesn't mean you should with o regard for potential consequences.

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I agree right up to there....



    Absolutely not. Getting the crap beaten out of you for direct actions is one thing. This sounds suspiciously like you are saying 'you wore a short skirt, so you deserved to be raped'. So if a guy gets falling down drunk, but does nothing to directing confront in a bilergerent mannerother people, he should be anally raped perhaps?

    I had a feeling someone would demur on that example.

    Let me put it to you like this.

    If I go to a biker bar at 3AM, stand up on a stool and yell at the top of my lungs, "HARLEY DAVIDSON SUCKS!"....

    ... what do you think is going to happen to me?

    I'll be lucky if I get out alive. If I merely get beaten to a pulp, I should count myself fortunate.



    Did I deserve such violence in response to a mere verbal statement? Legally, no of course not. Morally, no of course not.



    However, common sense OUGHT to have told me that this was a very bad idea for which there might be serious and detrimental consequences. Regardless of whether the consequences I encounter due to my jackass move are legal or moral, in the real world they are predictably likely, and I should have known better.


    That was also the point of the previous example. If you do stupid ****, don't be shocked if something bad happens to you as a result.

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If a guy was bragging about his high paying job, flashing his Rolex and iPhone around, and paying in 100s as he gets **** faced, and then tries to stumble alone to his car or public transportation at 3 in the morning I'd say he shouldn't be shocked if he gets mugged and robbed. Doesn't deserve it, doesn't "have it coming" but it's not shocking based on the combination of decisions he made and the realities of the situation around him.

    I think goshins point, and I'm sure hell correct me if I'm wrong, is that we've gone so far over the edge in trying to be sure we don't "blame victims" that we've reached a point of ignoring the reality that the culmination of ones actions can help facilitate a bad situation occurring and that just because you CAN act a certain way doesn't mean you should with o regard for potential consequences.

    Exactly right.

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    Re: Backlash to TSA's allowance of Knives and Clubs on Planes.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I had a feeling someone would demur on that example.

    Let me put it to you like this.

    If I go to a biker bar at 3AM, stand up on a stool and yell at the top of my lungs, "HARLEY DAVIDSON SUCKS!"....

    ... what do you think is going to happen to me?

    I'll be lucky if I get out alive. If I merely get beaten to a pulp, I should count myself fortunate.



    Did I deserve such violence in response to a mere verbal statement? Legally, no of course not. Morally, no of course not.



    However, common sense OUGHT to have told me that this was a very bad idea for which there might be serious and detrimental consequences. Regardless of whether the consequences I encounter due to my jackass move are legal or moral, in the real world they are predictably likely, and I should have known better.


    That was also the point of the previous example. If you do stupid ****, don't be shocked if something bad happens to you as a result.
    No argument on doing stupid **** having consequences, but to what level do you think the 'consequences' should be?
    Building block or stumbling block.... choose.

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