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    White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Two leading figures within the Obama administration now insist that the president of the United States does not have the authority to launch drone strikes on US soil.
    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) received a response from the Obama administration on Thursday afternoon after spending 13 hours demanding answers about the possible use of drones inside of the United States.



    During a briefing Thursday afternoon, White House press secretary Jay Carney said, "The president has not and would not use drone strikes against American citizens on American soil.”



    Mr. Carney also elected to read a statement penned by Attorney General Eric Holder earlier that day that had been sent to Sen. Paul. Mr. Holder’s entire statement, only 43 words, confirmed Mr. Carney’s remark.



    “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no,” wrote the attorney general.
    More can be seen here: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US ? RT USA


    I must say that while this comes as a surprise, the words "can't" and "won't" are two different things. In addition to this, it states clearly "on American soil" so Obama can still kill you if you leave the country.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    More can be seen here: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US ? RT USA


    I must say that while this comes as a surprise, the words "can't" and "won't" are two different things. In addition to this, it states clearly "on American soil" so Obama can still kill you if you leave the country.
    yes, there was more of a point for him to address the death star question than to answer the republicans. There is nothing the guy can say that would make the right wing happy. Even if he resigned they would complain about something. You got your answer and it was no. rand paul pissed away his time over a statement that was pretty obvious. Actually i guess he didn't pee for 13 hours supposedly, but you get the jist of it. really, you got the exact answer you wanted from a stunt that delayed a senate appointment for no reason at all aside from spoiled brat politics and you are still not happy? It just shows how petty this all is and that you don't even care about the issues you claim to. this is just about complaining about obama. What is worse is it is not even a good reason to complain, and there are many actual good reasons to complain.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yes, there was more of a point for him to address the death star question than to answer the republicans. There is nothing the guy can say that would make the right wing happy. Even if he resigned they would complain about something. You got your answer and it was no. rand paul pissed away his time over a statement that was pretty obvious. Actually i guess he didn't pee for 13 hours supposedly, but you get the jist of it. really, you got the exact answer you wanted from a stunt that delayed a senate appointment for no reason at all aside from spoiled brat politics and you are still not happy? It just shows how petty this all is and that you don't even care about the issues you claim to. this is just about complaining about obama. What is worse is it is not even a good reason to complain, and there are many actual good reasons to complain.
    You obviously don't know me well. I am not a "right-winger" or a "Republican." I just noted some of the problems with what Holder said. That was all.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Holder should never have equivocated about this question at all. His immediate response should have been "hell no".

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You obviously don't know me well. I am not a "right-winger" or a "Republican." I just noted some of the problems with what Holder said. That was all.
    Props to you, for real, Mr. I, for your consistency. You don't have to be right wing to have problems with the way this question was answered. In fact, everyone should be a little nervous about the response. There will always be some though, *cough*Tererun*cough* that will put partisanship above all else.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    So if they do kill me with a drone, I can sue them.

    I can see a time when the use of a drone on a US citizen at home might be the prudent thing to do----say they had a nuclear bomb they were threatening to detonate or something extreme like that.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yes, there was more of a point for him to address the death star question than to answer the republicans. There is nothing the guy can say that would make the right wing happy. Even if he resigned they would complain about something. You got your answer and it was no. rand paul pissed away his time over a statement that was pretty obvious. Actually i guess he didn't pee for 13 hours supposedly, but you get the jist of it. really, you got the exact answer you wanted from a stunt that delayed a senate appointment for no reason at all aside from spoiled brat politics and you are still not happy? It just shows how petty this all is and that you don't even care about the issues you claim to. this is just about complaining about obama. What is worse is it is not even a good reason to complain, and there are many actual good reasons to complain.
    Your posts are soooo predictable. Like a too-sour lemon drop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    More can be seen here: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US ? RT USA

    I must say that while this comes as a surprise, the words "can't" and "won't" are two different things. In addition to this, it states clearly "on American soil" so Obama can still kill you if you leave the country.
    This is good news. I am, frankly, very surprised this information came out of the White House. That's very good news and should make many people rest easier.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    This is Obama, from Chicago, where people just disappear.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    More can be seen here: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US ? RT USA


    I must say that while this comes as a surprise, the words "can't" and "won't" are two different things. In addition to this, it states clearly "on American soil" so Obama can still kill you if you leave the country.
    The title of this thread does not match the content of the OP

    According to the OP, the US can use a drone to kill american citizens on american soil........but only if they are engaged in an attack.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So if they do kill me with a drone, I can sue them.

    I can see a time when the use of a drone on a US citizen at home might be the prudent thing to do----say they had a nuclear bomb they were threatening to detonate or something extreme like that.
    Imminent threat, especially one so obvious, is and always had been an issue in which some level of government can make the decision to suspend constitutional due process. But that wasn't the issue at hand...the issue was two-fold:

    1. Whether or not the president has the constitutional authority to order a military action within U.S. borders against a U.S. citizen, and
    2. Whether or not the president can do so w/o the existence of an imminent or proven threat.

    The memo released earlier re: U.S. drone strikes made the claim that neither an imminent threat nor evidence thereof need be present to utilize a drone strike against a U.S. citizen deemed to be a member of a terrorist group. One must only ascertain that membership exists, and few legal parameters exist that one must meet to "prove" membership....at least according to the paper.

    So that, to me, is really the issue: the assumption that membership (even weakly supported) is enough to deem a U.S. citizen an "imminent threat" to the safety of the populace or the country at large. And as Paul and others said last night...it really isn't JUST about drones...it's about any technology that would allow its operator to suspend constitutionally protected rights by delivering a fatal blow to its target...controlled by the military at the instruction of the president, and WITHOUT proof of imminent threat. It just so happens that drones are the technology du jour, based largely on the leaked memos.
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