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White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

Mr. Invisible said:
The government has stated that it can kill US citizens on US soil via drones if those citizens are "engaged in combat," which is a phrase that needs to be defined.
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Like I said, you do admit that the title of your OP was inaccurate
 
sangha said:
Like I said, you do admit that the title of your OP was inaccurate
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And like I said, the title was not by me. I explained this earlier. Please try to keep up.

sangha said:
Actually, the article, unlike the title of this thread, phrases it as a question. Your title makes it a statement
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Mr. Invisible said:
No, I just copied and pasted what was in the article. If you look, the title of the article on the actual page has a statement "White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US," while the link adds a question mark. More dishonesty from you it seems.
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sangha said:
Yes, you're right about the lack of question mark

However, as I originally stated, the title is not supported by the content of your OP (or the content of the article). The article shows that Holder said we could kill americans with drones in the US
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Mr. Invisible said:
And like I said, take that up with RT. I did not write the article.
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sangha said:
I never said the title was by you. I said it was wrong

And you agree
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You said "Like I said, you do admit that the title of your OP was inaccurate"

Original posts do not have titles, thus you must either be a fool, a liar, or referring to the title of the article.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
More can be seen here: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US ? RT USA


I must say that while this comes as a surprise, the words "can't" and "won't" are two different things. In addition to this, it states clearly "on American soil" so Obama can still kill you if you leave the country.
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I'm totally cool with us killing people deemed a threat who are outside of the country, even Americans. It's not like those people don't have a right to come home and face trial. If someone on the public enemy list is hiding in Yemen, I'd be pissed if we didn't send a drone strike.
 
X Factor said:
Props to you, for real, Mr. I, for your consistency. You don't have to be right wing to have problems with the way this question was answered. In fact, everyone should be a little nervous about the response. There will always be some though, *cough*Tererun*cough* that will put partisanship above all else.
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What is the problem, i mean aside from the false idea that the US government behaves the same on foreign soil? It is not a surprise considering it is not our land. So yes, if you run off to some terrorist training grounds in a foreign country you might just find yourself whacked by a US drone without a trial. Especially if you are in some place considered a foreign warzone by the US government. really, do you expect the US military to cease it's drone strikes if an american citizen happens to be present voluntarily supporting those who we are at war with? That seems a little absurd to me. I would also happen to think that if obama and holder were not the ones talking about this you might consider a person who leaves america to join a fight against it's military in a foreign war as an enemy combatant and getting what they deserve. You are claiming that it makes you very nervous that the US would use a drone to kill a person who is technically a US citizen while they are fighting against them in a place like afganistan.

No no, don't let me stop you from running with that. It is wrong in your mind for obama and the US military to act against a US citizen who has joined opposing forces in a war according to you. i am perfectly fine with them using a drone strike to kill that sort of person in a war, but if you think our military should endanger itself and its safety in a warzone I welcome you to your opinion.
 
Fisher said:
So if they do kill me with a drone, I can sue them. :)

I can see a time when the use of a drone on a US citizen at home might be the prudent thing to do----say they had a nuclear bomb they were threatening to detonate or something extreme like that.
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If the person is sophisticated enough to have a nuclear device then chances are a they are sophisticated enough to make a drone strike pointless. There are very few reasons that a drone strike would be nessary. To be honest what those would would be I cant think of off the top of my head.
 
tererun said:
What is the problem, i mean aside from the false idea that the US government behaves the same on foreign soil? It is not a surprise considering it is not our land. So yes, if you run off to some terrorist training grounds in a foreign country you might just find yourself whacked by a US drone without a trial. Especially if you are in some place considered a foreign warzone by the US government. really, do you expect the US military to cease it's drone strikes if an american citizen happens to be present voluntarily supporting those who we are at war with? That seems a little absurd to me. I would also happen to think that if obama and holder were not the ones talking about this you might consider a person who leaves america to join a fight against it's military in a foreign war as an enemy combatant and getting what they deserve. You are claiming that it makes you very nervous that the US would use a drone to kill a person who is technically a US citizen while they are fighting against them in a place like afganistan.

No no, don't let me stop you from running with that. It is wrong in your mind for obama and the US military to act against a US citizen who has joined opposing forces in a war according to you. i am perfectly fine with them using a drone strike to kill that sort of person in a war, but if you think our military should endanger itself and its safety in a warzone I welcome you to your opinion.
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You really have no idea what this thread is about, do you? Of course you don't. All you think you know is that someone criticized Obama and you have to do something about it.
 
calamity said:
I'm totally cool with us killing people deemed a threat who are outside of the country, even Americans. It's not like those people don't have a right to come home and face trial. If someone on the public enemy list is hiding in Yemen, I'd be pissed if we didn't send a drone strike.
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It is just amazing how back in the bush years these partisan people would have been happy to have drones killing off traitors who aid the enemy. Damn, we were almost ready to string up reporters for drawing pictures in the sand back then. But now that obama is there the opinions have changed. Now it is dangerous for the military to be at war and shoot americans who are assisting the enemy. Some of us share the same opinion now as we did back then that if you are out there assisting the enemy in fighting against the US military and you geta missile rammed up your ass for your efforts, then good. if it makes you nervous that you might be whacked by the military outside the country, you are paranoid, and you can stay in the US where they say they cannot use drone strikes.

i am wondering why these guys are so scared of a drone strike in their world tour, but none of the other tools of death that the US military has deployed all over the world scare them. could it be that drones have been associated with Obama, and are a military weapon they can differentiate from all other military weapons to pretend obama is evil? My thought is if the military was going to kill you on foreign soil where there is no present war they would use a good old fashioned gun and bullets. They work well, they are cheaper than a drone flight, and they tend not to inflame other peaceful countries as much as unmanned drones killing people on their streets. far be it from me to stop the drone paranoia.
 
tererun said:
It is just amazing how back in the bush years these partisan people would have been happy to have drones killing off traitors who aid the enemy. Damn, we were almost ready to string up reporters for drawing pictures in the sand back then. But now that obama is there the opinions have changed. Now it is dangerous for the military to be at war and shoot americans who are assisting the enemy. Some of us share the same opinion now as we did back then that if you are out there assisting the enemy in fighting against the US military and you geta missile rammed up your ass for your efforts, then good. if it makes you nervous that you might be whacked by the military outside the country, you are paranoid, and you can stay in the US where they say they cannot use drone strikes.

i am wondering why these guys are so scared of a drone strike in their world tour, but none of the other tools of death that the US military has deployed all over the world scare them. could it be that drones have been associated with Obama, and are a military weapon they can differentiate from all other military weapons to pretend obama is evil? My thought is if the military was going to kill you on foreign soil where there is no present war they would use a good old fashioned gun and bullets. They work well, they are cheaper than a drone flight, and they tend not to inflame other peaceful countries as much as unmanned drones killing people on their streets. far be it from me to stop the drone paranoia.
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Two posts; two proofs that you don't know what this thread is about. That, or you're just lying about it.
 
tessaesque said:
One could say it seems like hacks and partisans are neglecting their duty to the people in order to avoid political inconvenient issues that deserve addressing.
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Hacks and partisans on both sides have picked up on this and ran with it, imagining all kids of CIA black drones flying overhead taking about Americans for the smallest of infractions.

If Drones were used to patrol the mexican boarder that would okay with the right, but the left would be upset. The reverse would be true if drones were used to take down an anti-government militia group.

If Drones were used to scout for hidden marijuana crops in Humbolt county, the left would be up in arms. However, if drones were used to monitor carbon emissions from a specific power plant, the right would scream foul.

See, so no perfectly reasonable and legal use of drones over the American homeland will be 100% okay. One has to wonder why we keep making more of them.
 
Harshaw said:
You really have no idea what this thread is about, do you? Of course you don't. All you think you know is that someone criticized Obama and you have to do something about it.
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in other words, you have no argument so you are going to play the partisan hackery line. it is not my fault you guys latched onto a completely partisan load of BS yet again. the response came from a completely partisan and BS bit of grandstanding from rand paul. You cheer it on and then get mad when others find it completely pointless. the military has always been restricted from acting on US soil unless it is wartime or some massive emergency. despite the claims from partisan news sources, obama has not changed that reality. obama has not taken over the country and subverted it's military for his own purposes. yes, even though the fix noise crazies and the becktards claim it daily, it has not happened. the statement pul got was the same position the military has had for years.

You will notice people were getting completely fed up with the repeated battles against the obama nominations which really were a lot of wasted time for failure. I find it interesting that Paul has done the same delay tactic, but instead of looking like the same old fail because the nomination was going through anyway, he distracted people by pretending this was about drone strikes on US soil. It was a brilliant peice of distraction an you fell for it. he got his predictable statement so it looks like a victory to you, yet you still can complain about the contents of the victory.

yes, i know exactly what this was bout. it was about wasting our time and distracting people with the same old BS fight because both parties are on the same side when it comes to money and power.
 
tererun said:
What is the problem, i mean aside from the false idea that the US government behaves the same on foreign soil? It is not a surprise considering it is not our land. So yes, if you run off to some terrorist training grounds in a foreign country you might just find yourself whacked by a US drone without a trial. Especially if you are in some place considered a foreign warzone by the US government. really, do you expect the US military to cease it's drone strikes if an american citizen happens to be present voluntarily supporting those who we are at war with? That seems a little absurd to me. I would also happen to think that if obama and holder were not the ones talking about this you might consider a person who leaves america to join a fight against it's military in a foreign war as an enemy combatant and getting what they deserve. You are claiming that it makes you very nervous that the US would use a drone to kill a person who is technically a US citizen while they are fighting against them in a place like afganistan.

No no, don't let me stop you from running with that. It is wrong in your mind for obama and the US military to act against a US citizen who has joined opposing forces in a war according to you. i am perfectly fine with them using a drone strike to kill that sort of person in a war, but if you think our military should endanger itself and its safety in a warzone I welcome you to your opinion.
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My opinion is that you don't have a clue what we're talking about. This whole thing stemmed from questions posed to Eric Holder regarding possible drone strikes against Americans (that posed no immediate threat) in America. Try not to cramp up from that chronic knee jerk condition you have.
 
Harshaw said:
Two posts; two proofs that you don't know what this thread is about. That, or you're just lying about it.
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yet you still have nothing to say to rebutt my points. Don't get mad at me because i rained on your pointless victory party.
 
tererun said:
yet you still have nothing to say to rebutt my points. Don't get mad at me because i rained on your pointless victory party.
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:roll:

Your "points" were about something that didn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

Something you STILL haven't figured out.
 
Well its always nice when the government admits they can kill me if I leave the country. :shock:
 
Harshaw said:
:roll:

Your "points" were about something that didn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

Something you STILL haven't figured out.
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I think it's starting to dawn on him, but it is funny to see him to pretend he knew all along. :D
 
X Factor said:
My opinion is that you don't have a clue what we're talking about. This whole thing stemmed from questions posed to Eric Holder regarding possible drone strikes against Americans in America and that posed no immediate threat. Try not to cramp up from that chronic knee jerk condition you have.
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posing those questions was a pretty partisan attempt to drum up controversy. the position of the US and it's military has been that they do not act on US soil unless there is an eminent attack or huge emergency. That did not change just because obama became president. As far as i know there have been no attacks or even attempts to attack people on US soil by military drones. the what if question of abuse of military power applies to any president. the fact that you only consider it legit in regards to obama makes you the partisan. there are military bases in every state. those bases all contain weapons and electronics which could be used against US citizens. they have existed since well before obama was born. We have always lived with the threat that the military could take up arms against citizens on US soil. Even our founding fathers saw the federal military as a threat to US citizens on US soil. No, a statement by holder or the white house saying they won't do it does not actually prevent them from doing so, just as it has never done so under any previous administration.

So yes this was an empty victory which just confirms the same old rules are in place. this had nothing to do with drone strikes at all. it had everything to do with delaying another Obama nomination and trying to pull a victory out of it when they knew he would be confirmed anyway. You can have all the opinions you want, but it doesn't change the reality we have always existed under the threat of the military being used against us. So does everyone in the world for that matter. Pretending this is specific to obama is pure partisan opinion. you are welcome to your opinion, just not to have it unopposed.
 
Henrin said:
Well its always nice when the government admits they can kill me if I leave the country. :shock:
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yes, and despite people leaving the country every day how many of them are killed by the evil US civilian killing drone attacks by our government? BTW i doubt very seriously you are just going to be whacked by a drone for leaving the country. i just have this idea that other countries would start getting very angry if the US military were killing US civilians for going outside of it's borders. not to mention i think that you would have a huge problem selling orders to kill innocent civilians on foreign vacations to the people of th military who have to pull the trigger.
 
(Disclaimer. I did not read the entire thread)

I stated months ago, when al-Awaki was murdered, that the assassination of a US citizen is horrific. US soil has nothing to do with the issue.

Assassination for any reason is a violation of international law (in MY opinion), but to murder your own citizen is unfathomable to me.
 
tererun said:
yes, and despite people leaving the country every day how many of them are killed by the evil US civilian killing drone attacks by our government? BTW i doubt very seriously you are just going to be whacked by a drone for leaving the country. i just have this idea that other countries would start getting very angry if the US military were killing US civilians for going outside of it's borders. not to mention i think that you would have a huge problem selling orders to kill innocent civilians on foreign vacations to the people of th military who have to pull the trigger.
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Yes, well, regardless of how unlikely it might be the president didn't deny that he can kill us if we leave the country and that is a problem. The government does have the authority to kill me neither here nor there or anywhere. Period.
 
White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US
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glad to hear it. while i don't really believe that was in the works, i'm glad to see a policy statement on it.
 
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