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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    My opinion is that you don't have a clue what we're talking about. This whole thing stemmed from questions posed to Eric Holder regarding possible drone strikes against Americans in America and that posed no immediate threat. Try not to cramp up from that chronic knee jerk condition you have.
    posing those questions was a pretty partisan attempt to drum up controversy. the position of the US and it's military has been that they do not act on US soil unless there is an eminent attack or huge emergency. That did not change just because obama became president. As far as i know there have been no attacks or even attempts to attack people on US soil by military drones. the what if question of abuse of military power applies to any president. the fact that you only consider it legit in regards to obama makes you the partisan. there are military bases in every state. those bases all contain weapons and electronics which could be used against US citizens. they have existed since well before obama was born. We have always lived with the threat that the military could take up arms against citizens on US soil. Even our founding fathers saw the federal military as a threat to US citizens on US soil. No, a statement by holder or the white house saying they won't do it does not actually prevent them from doing so, just as it has never done so under any previous administration.

    So yes this was an empty victory which just confirms the same old rules are in place. this had nothing to do with drone strikes at all. it had everything to do with delaying another Obama nomination and trying to pull a victory out of it when they knew he would be confirmed anyway. You can have all the opinions you want, but it doesn't change the reality we have always existed under the threat of the military being used against us. So does everyone in the world for that matter. Pretending this is specific to obama is pure partisan opinion. you are welcome to your opinion, just not to have it unopposed.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well its always nice when the government admits they can kill me if I leave the country.
    yes, and despite people leaving the country every day how many of them are killed by the evil US civilian killing drone attacks by our government? BTW i doubt very seriously you are just going to be whacked by a drone for leaving the country. i just have this idea that other countries would start getting very angry if the US military were killing US civilians for going outside of it's borders. not to mention i think that you would have a huge problem selling orders to kill innocent civilians on foreign vacations to the people of th military who have to pull the trigger.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    (Disclaimer. I did not read the entire thread)

    I stated months ago, when al-Awaki was murdered, that the assassination of a US citizen is horrific. US soil has nothing to do with the issue.

    Assassination for any reason is a violation of international law (in MY opinion), but to murder your own citizen is unfathomable to me.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yes, and despite people leaving the country every day how many of them are killed by the evil US civilian killing drone attacks by our government? BTW i doubt very seriously you are just going to be whacked by a drone for leaving the country. i just have this idea that other countries would start getting very angry if the US military were killing US civilians for going outside of it's borders. not to mention i think that you would have a huge problem selling orders to kill innocent civilians on foreign vacations to the people of th military who have to pull the trigger.
    Yes, well, regardless of how unlikely it might be the president didn't deny that he can kill us if we leave the country and that is a problem. The government does have the authority to kill me neither here nor there or anywhere. Period.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US
    glad to hear it. while i don't really believe that was in the works, i'm glad to see a policy statement on it.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, well, regardless of how unlikely it might be the president didn't deny that he can kill us if we leave the country and that is a problem. The government does have the authority to kill me neither here nor there or anywhere. Period.
    I don't fully grasp this. the government has the power to do it, but you think them saying the won't is far more solid than them actually not doing it? this is just the pumping up of an issue that has always existed. really, the only real prevention that the government will not use it's power is the soldier being willing to not follow orders if they feel they are wrong.

    I swear Vince McMahon has created this insanity. I cannot believe people are distracted by all of this given the economy and the sequester, and every other stupid thing going on. This is pure grandstanding over absolutely nothing. The government said it won't kill you with the many weapons at it's disposal. Why does that make you feel accomplished? Oh yeah because some senator went on some babbling rant and started talking crap and pretended you won something. It is amazing how people can be fooled into caring so much about a problem that has existed as long as there were armies. Our government is sitting down together and breaking bread while planning what to do next with the sequester and how they can funnel more money into their hands and their friends hands, and people cared more about the bibbling idiot on the house floor and his stupid prize for doing it? What should scare you is that the dems and republicans sat down together to laugh at us and how they have managed to get you all so distracted in a pointless fight you miss when they are showing their true colors. At least the WWF is a voluntary entertainment thing, government is not voluntary for the people in the country.

    really, why the hell is the US going to send a drone to kill you? They simply do not have to go that far. It is a huge waste of money to kill some no one with a drone. Could you please explain to me the thought process where you get a scenario where the US government is flying drones all over the world to kill regular people on vacation? Talk about making up an issue to be afraid of out of nothing. Do you check under your bed to make sure monsters are not there before you go to sleep? What if monsters exist under your bed and want to eat you? Just because they have never eaten you up until now doesn't mean they won't eat you tonight. The US government might have snipers waiting to shoot you on Obama's command right now, so you better ask the president to tell you he isn't going to shoot you while taking out the garbage. You guys have to take a break from the paranoid delusional crap that is coming from the media if you are scared the government is just waiting for you to leave the country so it can launch a drone strike against you. In all honesty, they need you. Without regular people to rule over they would have to do their own work and survive on their own.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    tl;dr

    Honestly, get to the point.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The OP shows that the govt does not consider the use of drones on US soil against people who are merely suspected of being terrorists. It is dishonest to suggest otherwise.
    The problem with that logic is that until one is convicted in a court of law, the citizen is by definition only suspected, or accused. While the Attorney General did answer Rand Paul’s question as stated, it does not answer or define what constitutes “combat”, and even then, to say the government has the authority to execute a citizen based only on allegation or suspicion or being in “combat”, or by simply classifying someone as an enemy combatant prior to capture thereby claiming the Constitution no longer applies to them (which removes the accused ability to prove they are innocent), is a complete disregard for the heart of the rule of law.

    There have been casualties of innocent people even in the use of drones to kill American citizen on foreign soil who were only alleged or suspected of so-called “terrorist” activity, which is an absolute breech of Article 3 Section 3 “No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”. Notice it does not say “Citizen” but rather “persons” which by human nature possess rights no matter where they are, or if they are considered criminals, terrorists, or not. This coincides which the 5th Amendment “No person… …shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…”

    It is unwise, illogical, and against all Principles on which the Constitution was based to think armed drones in the use of assassination, especially on American soil, is the least bit acceptable… and would never be so by any rational mind.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    request denied

    The title of your thread is inaccurate

    You even agreed that it is inaccurate
    Request denied.

    The thread title is inaccurate not because of me but because of RT.

    You even agreed that it was. (http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061543364)

    I see you are nothing but a liar, but guess what? Now you're nothing but a liar on my ignore list.



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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Seems that you didn't read the memo.

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...hite_Paper.pdf
    No place in that memo soes it state that a drone attack can be used against an American on American soil.
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