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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Imminent threat, especially one so obvious, is and always had been an issue in which some level of government can make the decision to suspend constitutional due process. But that wasn't the issue at hand...the issue was two-fold:

    1. Whether or not the president has the constitutional authority to order a military action within U.S. borders against a U.S. citizen, and
    2. Whether or not the president can do so w/o the existence of an imminent or proven threat.

    The memo released earlier re: U.S. drone strikes made the claim that neither an imminent threat nor evidence thereof need be present to utilize a drone strike against a U.S. citizen deemed to be a member of a terrorist group. One must only ascertain that membership exists, and few legal parameters exist that one must meet to "prove" membership....at least according to the paper.
    Not true. For one thing, it was a letter to Rand Paul, not a memo. For another, it said nothing about allowing the use of drones against a US citizen who was a member of a terrorist group. It only mentioned such use against someone engaged in an attack.

    So that, to me, is really the issue: the assumption that membership (even weakly supported) is enough to deem a U.S. citizen an "imminent threat" to the safety of the populace or the country at large. And as Paul and others said last night...it really isn't JUST about drones...it's about any technology that would allow its operator to suspend constitutionally protected rights by delivering a fatal blow to its target...controlled by the military at the instruction of the president, and WITHOUT proof of imminent threat. It just so happens that drones are the technology du jour, based largely on the leaked memos.
    Holder has explicitely stated that using drones is only allowed when the target is engaged in combat on american soil. It's right there in the OP
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Lol, "I have the power, but I won't use it."

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not true. For one thing, it was a letter to Rand Paul, not a memo. For another, it said nothing about allowing the use of drones against a US citizen who was a member of a terrorist group. It only mentioned such use against someone engaged in an attack.



    Holder has explicitely stated that using drones is only allowed when the target is engaged in combat on american soil. It's right there in the OP
    More purposefully dishonest nonsense, or a blatant lack of understanding. I refer to the leaked memo, not Holder's letter dated today. Until you address reality don't expect further response.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Any action taken against US citizens should require due process. Period.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    More can be seen here: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US ? RT USA


    I must say that while this comes as a surprise, the words "can't" and "won't" are two different things.

    Nice to see that you are taking the title of a news article over the actual letter.


    Clearly you didnt read the letter to R. Paul


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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    More purposefully dishonest nonsense, or a blatant lack of understanding. I refer to the leaked memo, not Holder's letter dated today. Until you address reality don't expect further response.
    The OP shows that the govt does not consider the use of drones on US soil against people who are merely suspected of being terrorists. It is dishonest to suggest otherwise.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    More can be seen here: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US ? RT USA


    I must say that while this comes as a surprise, the words "can't" and "won't" are two different things. In addition to this, it states clearly "on American soil" so Obama can still kill you if you leave the country.

    Honestly if a person is working with the enemy on enemy soil, I have no problem with a drone strike even if it is an American.

    I agree with Sen. Paul about domestic use.


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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The OP shows that the govt does not consider the use of drones on US soil against people who are merely suspected of being terrorists. It is dishonest to suggest otherwise.
    Are you aware of how time works? Do you know that "past" came BEFORE "present"? Prior to the letter, the leaked memo, which you have displayed no knowledge of provided a legal justification for the use of drones against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil without proof of imminent threat.

    As I said, I'd actually do your research.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    I'd like someone to at least stand up and represent folks like me who think that ALL domestic drone use should be permanently banned.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Are you aware of how time works? Do you know that "past" came BEFORE "present"? Prior to the letter, the leaked memo, which you have displayed no knowledge of provided a legal justification for the use of drones against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil without proof of imminent threat.

    As I said, I'd actually do your research.
    No, it did not and repeating your dishonest claim does not make it true.

    Holder clearly stated that the president has no authority to do such a thing
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