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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    Yes I do... especially the part the places the power to declare war with the people [Congress]. Only once that is done does the President have the consitutional power to command the military acts of agression.
    Defending us against an attack is not an act of aggression
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    Defending us against an attack is not an act of aggression
    You have yet to even give a realistic justification while you now shift from the specifics of targeting American citizens on American soil, to an ambiguously imaginary reference to being 'attacked', or how that use could even be effective.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    You have yet to even give a realistic justification while you now shift from the specifics of targeting American citizens on American soil, to an ambiguously imaginary reference to being 'attacked', or how that use could even be effective.
    WHich is why the use of drones on US soil is purely hypothetical, as Holder noted.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    WHich is why the use of drones on US soil is purely hypothetical, as Holder noted.
    Then I will continue to err on the side of reason and the rule of law, rather than support for such use based only on fears and hypothetical scenarios which are not even clearly defined.

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    Then I will continue to err on the side of reason and the rule of law, rather than support for such use based only on fears and hypothetical scenarios which are not even clearly defined.
    Why stop there?

    Maybe Rand should filibuster every appt to the military on the grounds that the constitutionally delegated powers might be abused POTUS?
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    What is the acceptable means, then?

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    Why stop there?

    Maybe Rand should filibuster every appt to the military on the grounds that the constitutionally delegated powers might be abused POTUS?
    Maybe

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    So if there's a terrorist attack in progress and a drone can stop it, you're on record as thinking the attack should not be stopped.
    NO, absolutely not. And that is NOT the question that was asked, nor was it what was answered. It is however, the strawman set up to deflect.

    No one is saying that if another attack were to happen, or be in progress that the United States couldn't act, even if it included US innocent citizens. However, the scenario we are talking about here is about US citizens that the President, or his cabinet (including the CIA) deems "imminent threats" on US soil....That's dangerous...The SPLC calls the Tea Party a hate group, and clearly uses the "terrorist" label loosely. Do you see that giving the president to summarily execute US citizens, could feasibly turn into a President taking out his political enemies?
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    Sorry, but I chose to place faith in the Constitution rather than in a President who claims that he, and any future president, will definitely be as virtuous as he assures us he is.

    As it is, congress gave away its Constitutional power under the War Powers Act, which was rationalized by the same rhetoric you gave saying “Yes, this is a lot of power, but it is the price paid in order to have the capability of a rapid and effective response to a military threat.”. By this, it is no coincidence that the country is in a state of perpetual undeclared wars, ever since post WWII, up to today’s war against a tactic (terrorism).

    “The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belong to one category” – “Terrorism is the best political weapon, for nothing drives people harder than the fear of sudden death” – Adolf Hitler

    “If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.” – James Madison
    Sorry, but even Jefferson was not averse to making war against foreign combatants without seeking Congressional approval. That they, the Barbary Pirates, were attacking us was all the authority he needed. If we are attacked or if a nation declares war on us then we are at war whether Congress thinks so or not. A military response need not wait for deliberation.

    The War Powers Act was an unconstitutional delegation of Congressional authority to the President, very much like the infamous enabling act and similar acts by the Venezuelan legislature more recently. Never has this nation gotten so close to tyranny as under FDR and Wilson. I don't know of any examples where the War Powers Act has been evoked to justify military action since WWII.

    The War Powers Resolution of 1973 was an attempt by Congress to limit the President's authority to conduct war. It was unconstitutional, and Presidents have generally ignored it.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    I don't see the statement as an admission so much as a scoffing at the terminally paranoid for fretting that they ever wanted to.
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