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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Could a US citizen drone kill government people on US soil maybe in extreme circumstances?
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    There are a few American citizens that I wish we could vaporize with a predator launched hellfire missile.
    Using an anti-tank missile is absurd when you think about it.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

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    That's why the character and ability of the people we elect to that office are all important.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    "In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." - Thomas Jefferson
    Most of the time that applies to the President, but in the matter of war the President has a relatively free hand. What limits him is that Congress can refuse to pay for it and unless there is an imminent threat Congress must authorize military actions, i.e., declare war.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Not when it comes to the use of armed drones to assassinate American citizens, no… there is nothing exceptional about that, and there are no exceptions.
    So if there's a terrorist attack in progress and a drone can stop it, you're on record as thinking the attack should not be stopped.

    It was sarcasm, because you’re talking from both sides of your mouth to say combat is clearly defined, while speaking of justified drone attacks for a “terrorist” attack in progress. By your measure, it could be said that Dorner was an American citizen on American soil engaged in combat, and you would agree with firing a missile at him? If you agree with such measure then there is virtually no difference in that and intentionally setting the place on fire, which would have been an insidious vigilante crime by police to completely disregard the rule of law.

    Additionally, if the American government can, by mere suspicion, label you an enemy “combatant” and thereby claim the Constitution no longer applies to you in order to justify indefinite detention without charge or trial, there is clearly not much incentive for the federal government to abide by the clear definition you espouse.
    No drone was used against Dorner.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Most of the time that applies to the President, but in the matter of war the President has a relatively free hand. What limits him is that Congress can refuse to pay for it and unless there is an imminent threat Congress must authorize military actions, i.e., declare war.
    Sorry, but I chose to place faith in the Constitution rather than in a President who claims that he, and any future president, will definitely be as virtuous as he assures us he is.

    As it is, congress gave away its Constitutional power under the War Powers Act, which was rationalized by the same rhetoric you gave saying “Yes, this is a lot of power, but it is the price paid in order to have the capability of a rapid and effective response to a military threat.”. By this, it is no coincidence that the country is in a state of perpetual undeclared wars, ever since post WWII, up to today’s war against a tactic (terrorism).

    “The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belong to one category” – “Terrorism is the best political weapon, for nothing drives people harder than the fear of sudden death” – Adolf Hitler

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Sorry, but I chose to place faith in the Constitution rather than in a President who claims that he, and any future president, will definitely be as virtuous as he assures us he is.
    You have faith in the constitution except the part that makes POTUS the commander in chief of the military
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So if there's a terrorist attack in progress and a drone can stop it, you're on record as thinking the attack should not be stopped..
    Again... define, "terrorist attack", and give an example. I can make no assumption from imagination that would justify the use of such a weapon which would/could kill the innocent people being attacked, as much as the target... especially on American soil. We have seen already the death's of innocent people by the use of such weapons. But I will be so bold as to continue, there are no exceptions.


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    No drone was used against Dorner.
    Indeed... although that avoids the point. Yet, that isn't to say it wasn't considered.
    No, Christopher Dorner Is Not the First Target for Drones on U.S. Soil

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Again... define, "terrorist attack", and give an example. I can make no assumption from imagination that would justify the use of such a weapon which would/could kill the innocent people being attacked, as much as the target... especially on American soil. We have seen already the death's of innocent people by the use of such weapons. But I will be so bold as to continue, there are no exceptions.
    So you won't support the commander in chiefs use of drones in the event that we are attacked.

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    Indeed... although that avoids the point. Yet, that isn't to say it wasn't considered.
    And, obviously, rejected
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You have faith in the constitution except the part that makes POTUS the commander in chief of the military
    Yes I do... especially the part the places the power to declare war with the people [Congress]. Only once that is done does the President have the consitutional power to command the military acts of agression.

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