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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Give an example, using history if you like, in which a drone strike would have ended (not prevented) a terrorist attack in progress, and not result in the deaths of innocents.
    Does the word "exceptional" mean anything to you?


    Sure it is. Such as the “terrorist” attack you posit.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Well, I also live in a house and my confession was for philosophical purposes.

    Will you answer my question?

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Well, I also live in a house and my confession was for philosophical purposes.

    Will you answer my question?
    You didn't ask a question you just spewed a bunch of nonsense.

    If you have a question I would be glad to answer it.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Does the word "exceptional" mean anything to you?
    Not when it comes to the use of armed drones to assassinate American citizens, no… there is nothing exceptional about that, and there are no exceptions.

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    I'm glad that you admit that the word combat is clearly defined
    It was sarcasm, because you’re talking from both sides of your mouth to say combat is clearly defined, while speaking of justified drone attacks for a “terrorist” attack in progress. By your measure, it could be said that Dorner was an American citizen on American soil engaged in combat, and you would agree with firing a missile at him? If you agree with such measure then there is virtually no difference in that and intentionally setting the place on fire, which would have been an insidious vigilante crime by police to completely disregard the rule of law.

    Additionally, if the American government can, by mere suspicion, label you an enemy “combatant” and thereby claim the Constitution no longer applies to you in order to justify indefinite detention without charge or trial, there is clearly not much incentive for the federal government to abide by the clear definition you espouse.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    We already see this starting to take place in terms of labeling American's like Tea Party members. The SPLC labels them "terrorists"..... A horrible label for little more than an activist group protesting, merely because they don't agree with them politically.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    It amazes me that people are hung up on two irrelevant items.

    DRONES and US SOIL.

    The murder weapon nor the location make an assassination of a citizen by the government any more acceptable.

    The media has painted a picture of there invisible robot planes flying autonomously, killing by a computer program and it has everyone scared to death. The root of the matter has nothing to do with the aircraft.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    It amazes me that people are hung up on two irrelevant items.

    DRONES and US SOIL.

    The murder weapon nor the location make an assassination of a citizen by the government any more acceptable.

    The media has painted a picture of there invisible robot planes flying autonomously, killing by a computer program and it has everyone scared to death. The root of the matter has nothing to do with the aircraft.
    No, you are right....This is about the administration taking the authority to label, and destroy their enemies without any oversight at all. You know who else does that sort of thing? Communist countries.
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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The title of this thread does not match the content of the OP

    According to the OP, the US can use a drone to kill american citizens on american soil........but only if they are engaged in an attack.
    That's exactly what Rand Paul was asking, i.e., can the President use drones against noncombatant citizens on US soil?

    Holder muddled his reponse by trying to invoke due process. Due process is not required to defend the US against attack whether that defense is done with a missile, a sniper, a howitzer, or whatever. Due process doesn't enter into it; combatants are often taken out without warning. And it doesn't matter what passport the attacker carries. It is a military matter. And of course the President can direct military force against attackers even if they are attacking on US soil. If China invades the West coast of the US then the President won't be calling the cops on them, he won't be reading them their Miranda rights, he will be striking at them with overwhelming military force.

    In order to provide the USA with an effective military defense the founders made the President the supreme commander of the military, an authority that no other branch of government can infringe upon. This is what that means.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you are right....This is about the administration taking the authority to label, and destroy their enemies without any oversight at all. You know who else does that sort of thing? Communist countries.
    Yes, the President has the authority on his own to determine who is a foreign combatant and to provide for an effective military response. It's all about what it means to be the Commander in Chief of the military. Yes, this is a lot of power, but it is the price paid in order to have the capability of a rapid and effective response to a military threat. That's why the character and ability of the people we elect to that office are all important.

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    Re: White House admits it can't kill Americans with drones in US

    Spewed a bunch of nonsense? I posited a philosophical question. There was nothing disrespectful or incoherent about it.

    I hoped for a little more intellect to be exhibited but apparently not.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You didn't ask a question you just spewed a bunch of nonsense.

    If you have a question I would be glad to answer it.

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