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Nort Korea Vows Nuclear Attack.

Same **** different day. North Korea is just tying for the world to fall for their rhetoric and end the sanctions. Ignore them.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Iraq may have had a large military when it invaded Kuwait, but size does not always mean it is superior. Desert storm proved that the Iraqi army was fighting a 21st century war with a Cold War mindset. They did not forsee any possibility for the coalition forces to cross the desert to flank them. Then again the Iraqis never forsaw the use of GPS.

Kim Jung un is a kid, he is probably more interested in partying and showboating then military conflict. As for the generals of North Korea, I think they are the brains of the regime, and they are not sucidal.
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I have to disagree that Iraq was going up against a 21st century military. We went in to Iraq and Kuwait with Ronald Reagan's military which was a military designed to fight the Soviet Union in Europe. All of the weapons platforms used during that war were Cold War platforms. In fact the rifle used by our troops were Vietnam era M-16A-1's. The first round fired by the Americans was a WW ll weapons platform, a Iowa class battleship.

Most of the weapons platforms used by the USA were the same weapons platforms that the liberals said were obsolete Cold War relics like to A-10 Warthogs or M-1 Abrams tank.

The strategy and tactics used by Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf was 20th century, nothing new. Knock out the enemies command and control and communication centers, knock out it's air defense, establish air superiority and then send in the infantry.

Even GPS is Cold War technology. This was another platform designed for the U.S. Navy that liberals in Congress tried to kill.
 
APACHERAT said:
I have to disagree that Iraq was going up against a 21st century military. We went in to Iraq and Kuwait with Ronald Reagan's military which was a military designed to fight the Soviet Union in Europe. All of the weapons platforms used during that war were Cold War platforms. In fact the rifle used by our troops were Vietnam era M-16A-1's. The first round fired by the Americans was a WW ll weapons platform, a Iowa class battleship.

Most of the weapons platforms used by the USA were the same weapons platforms that the liberals said were obsolete Cold War relics like to A-10 Warthogs or M-1 Abrams tank.

The strategy and tactics used by Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf was 20th century, nothing new. Knock out the enemies command and control and communication centers, knock out it's air defense, establish air superiority and then send in the infantry.

Even GPS is Cold War technology. This was another platform designed for the U.S. Navy that liberals in Congress tried to kill.
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And what about my take on North Korea?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yeah, nobody in Congress has invited me to go out drinking and whoring with them. I suppose I'm not on the friend list there. ;) Obama won't return my calls. My influence in Washington is questionable.
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Risky...

If you've worn out your welcome in the Kingdom of Washington, have you tried coming to Texas and peddling your influence with Rick Perry? He's...uhhhhh, hummmmmmm, well, if you catch at the right time. Just wear cross ammo belts...and you'll be in like Flint. Oh, and don't forget your bible. Once hooked up...he'll get you in the back door in Washington. You know, the special one that Rand Paul uses to make it to his office....alive. :cool:
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And what about my take on North Korea?
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If Obama was competent at all as POTUS, he wouldn't respond and just ignore Kim Jong Un and those who control him, the North Korean military generals.

Technically we have been at war with North Korea since August of 1950. North Korea never surrendered and neither did the USA. There was only a cease fire agreement in affect just like there was with the USA and the UK after the first Gulf war with Iraq. Most people are unaware that Saddam Hussein never surrendered, there just was a cease fire agreement and for over ten years he kept violating that cease fire agreement.

I think North Korea is getting low on tree bark. And since the North Korans are socialist, they want free stuff. Since the North Koreans can't provide free stuff to their people, they want free stuff from Obama.

Will Obama be a good internationalist socialist and appease Kim Jong Un and send him some Obama phones and a few ship loads of corn paid for the 52 % of Americans who actually pay individual income taxes ?

Then again Kim Jong Un might have been going through his fathers library of VHS video movies and watched the movie, "The Mouse That Roared." The Mouse That Roared (1959) - IMDb
 
Clearly it's time for more sanctions, and sending Dennis Rodman over as an official ambassador.
 
Zyphlin said:
Clearly it's time for more sanctions, and sending Dennis Rodman over as an official ambassador.
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If I saw this, I'd want to nuke America, too. :lol:

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The question of North Korea, its nukes and missles and threats, is a more complicated and potentially serious issue than many people appreciate.

For one thing, it isn't just NK. NK is deeply involved with China and Iran, and Russia may have a finger in the pie somewhere too.

NK is and has always been a Chinese client-state. A somewhat fractious one... but make no mistake about it, NK would not be acting in this manner without some degree of Chinese approval and encouragement.

NK and Iran have been comparing notes on "how to become a nuclear power in defiance of the West and the UN" at the very least... and probably sharing technical expertise as well, much of it gleaned from China and Russia with the support of those two powers.

Has it occurred to anyone what a wonderful stalking-horse and scapegoat NK and Iran make for China and Russia? The two second-tier powers can use their puppet states to provoke and distract the USA without having their own fingerprints on it publically.

There is even speculation that it goes much further than that, and involves cooperative agreements aimed at taking the USA off the "global alpha dog" pedestal, using a multi-pronged approach.... which may, at some point, involve NK throwing us a nuke.

Google Electromagnetic Pulse and consider what one nuke in the upper atmosphere could do to the US power grid and communications, and possibly even the transportation network.

For those saying "poo" to the threat NK may pose, or saying it is several years away, consider what they might accomplish much sooner with direct aid from China, who already has ICBMs and minaturized nuke warheads.


As for "oh they'd never do it we'd nuke them back".... are you sure? Are you sure that Kim Jong Un believes that?

The answers to those two questions could make a far more serious difference than most of you probably realize.


This is really not something to take too lightly.
 
Goshin said:
The question of North Korea, its nukes and missles and threats, is a more complicated and potentially serious issue than many people appreciate.

For one thing, it isn't just NK. NK is deeply involved with China and Iran, and Russia may have a finger in the pie somewhere too.

NK is and has always been a Chinese client-state. A somewhat fractious one... but make no mistake about it, NK would not be acting in this manner without some degree of Chinese approval and encouragement.

NK and Iran have been comparing notes on "how to become a nuclear power in defiance of the West and the UN" at the very least... and probably sharing technical expertise as well, much of it gleaned from China and Russia with the support of those two powers.

Has it occurred to anyone what a wonderful stalking-horse and scapegoat NK and Iran make for China and Russia? The two second-tier powers can use their puppet states to provoke and distract the USA without having their own fingerprints on it publically.

There is even speculation that it goes much further than that, and involves cooperative agreements aimed at taking the USA off the "global alpha dog" pedestal, using a multi-pronged approach.... which may, at some point, involve NK throwing us a nuke.

Google Electromagnetic Pulse and consider what one nuke in the upper atmosphere could do to the US power grid and communications, and possibly even the transportation network.

For those saying "poo" to the threat NK may pose, or saying it is several years away, consider what they might accomplish much sooner with direct aid from China, who already has ICBMs and minaturized nuke warheads.


As for "oh they'd never do it we'd nuke them back".... are you sure? Are you sure that Kim Jong Un believes that?

The answers to those two questions could make a far more serious difference than most of you probably realize.


This is really not something to take too lightly.
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Say North Korea throws a missile at South Korea, Japan or even the US unprovoked NK would get obliterated and China would do absolutely nothing, Iran would probably try to use it as an excuse to bomb Israel, however China would prevent them from that.

Honestly, If that crap happened I wouldn't be shocked if China beat North Korea down themselves just to save diplomatic relations with the rest of the industrialized world. Is North Korea really worth WWIII??? hell no. However North Korea is fair game if they attack someone - no nation will back North Korea if they start attacking. This is why North Korea is a joke.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Say North Korea throws a missile at South Korea, Japan or even the US unprovoked NK would get obliterated and China would do absolutely nothing, Iran would probably try to use it as an excuse to bomb Israel, however China would prevent them from that.

Honestly, If that crap happened I wouldn't be shocked if China beat North Korea down themselves just to save diplomatic relations with the rest of the industrialized world. Is North Korea really worth WWIII??? hell no. However North Korea is fair game if they attack someone - no nation will back North Korea if they start attacking. This is why North Korea is a joke.
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Mr Nick, nuclear weapons and ICBMs under the control of a man whose grasp of reality may be quite tenuous, is no joke at all.

As for whether we would turn NK into a radioactive glass ashtray in retaliation... that actually isn't a foregone conclusion at all, and Kim Jong Un may well believe he can get away with it due to assumptions on his part that China would back him. Which may be exactly what China wants him to think...

China may well be prepared to cut NK loose or smack them down their self... AFTER they get NK to do what they want NK to do, and get to let the blame fall on someone else. That doesn't mean they aren't covertly supporting Kim Jong at this time, for reasons of their own.
 
Goshin said:
Mr Nick, nuclear weapons and ICBMs under the control of a man whose grasp of reality may be quite tenuous, is no joke at all.

As for whether we would turn NK into a radioactive glass ashtray in retaliation... that actually isn't a foregone conclusion at all, and Kim Jong Un may well believe he can get away with it due to assumptions on his part that China would back him. Which may be exactly what China wants him to think...

China may well be prepared to cut NK loose or smack them down their self... AFTER they get NK to do what they want NK to do, and get to let the blame fall on someone else. That doesn't mean they aren't covertly supporting Kim Jong at this time, for reasons of their own.
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Kim Jong-Un is a 28-year-old kid educated in Switzerland that is doing nothing more than towing his fathers ideas and continuing his policies.

That kid isn't going to do a damn thing besides talk crazy.

Like I said, if the kid wanted to get rash and attack the US, China would do absolutely nothing about it if we attacked in response. I honestly believe China would handle it themselves (destroy North Korea).

North Korea is not worth a WWIII.

China depends on the US and the US depends on China. Obviously Iran and Russia are a different story. Iran is looking for any reason to bomb Israel to start a ****ing holy war.

If North Korea was the aggressor China would do absolutely nothing in North Koreas defense.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Kim Jong-Un is a 28-year-old kid educated in Switzerland that is doing nothing more than towing his fathers ideas and continuing his policies.

That kid isn't going to do a damn thing besides talk crazy.

Like I said, if the kid wanted to get rash and attack the US, China would do absolutely nothing about it if we attacked in response. I honestly believe China would handle it themselves (destroy North Korea).

North Korea is not worth a WWIII.

China depends on the US and the US depends on China. Obviously Iran and Russia are a different story. Iran is looking for any reason to bomb Israel to start a ****ing holy war.

If North Korea was the aggressor China would do absolutely nothing in North Koreas defense.
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I didn't say China would defend NK after NK launched a nuke attack on the US. The question is what does Kim Jong Un believe they will do... he may be being lead to believe otherwise, on purpose.


An EMP attack on CONUS would cause a crisis the likes of which hasn't been seen in centuries, crippling the US. China might see this as an opportunity to exert the dominance over the Asian-Pacific region that it has long desired.

I'm not saying that is what IS going to happen; I'm saying it is a possibility that should be taken seriously, and a reason not to merely ignore a possible threat from NK.


As to assertions that the US can defend itself from any NK missles, that claim falls a bit flat... defense against cruise missles and short-range missles is one thing, defense against ballistic missles that detonate 200 miles above the surface is an entirely different matter.

EMP. Study it and you'll understand why it worries me, and why one rogue state with one nuke-tipped ICBM could do untold damage to all of North America.
 
Van Basten said:
I wonder to this day what exactly North Korea wants to accomplish in the long run.
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Like most dictators, he wants two things: first to unite his people against a common enemy (like Hitler did), and second, to flex what he thinks are international muscles (which he does not have, nor did his predecessors) to make himself feel important and powerful. He is a little man, from a little country that tortures and starves his own people for personal gain. Rest assured any aid that was sent to NK never made it to where it was supposed to go.
 
d0gbreath said:
I couldn't agree more. The people of North Korea are the most in need of Liberation of any nation on earth. They don't even have food.
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On the contrary, they have food, but the big-shots and military leaders get it all.
 
Goshin said:
I didn't say China would defend NK after NK launched a nuke attack on the US. The question is what does Kim Jong Un believe they will do... he may be being lead to believe otherwise, on purpose.


An EMP attack on CONUS would cause a crisis the likes of which hasn't been seen in centuries, crippling the US. China might see this as an opportunity to exert the dominance over the Asian-Pacific region that it has long desired.

I'm not saying that is what IS going to happen; I'm saying it is a possibility that should be taken seriously, and a reason not to merely ignore a possible threat from NK.


As to assertions that the US can defend itself from any NK missles, that claim falls a bit flat... defense against cruise missles and short-range missles is one thing, defense against ballistic missles that detonate 200 miles above the surface is an entirely different matter.

EMP. Study it and you'll understand why it worries me, and why one rogue state with one nuke-tipped ICBM could do untold damage to all of North America.
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North Korea doesn't even have the capabilities to hit US soil, let alone the technology to deliver an EMP (I have no idea how they could possibly do that). It's more likely we get an EMP from terrorists than the North Koreans. Hell, someone could walk around in downtown NYC (or anywhere) with an EMP and start frying devices.

I view North Korea as a zero threat...

The problem I have with North Korea is not the fact they talk **** but the cult of personality that exists within its boarders. The human rights violations are astounding... I'm not a progressive or bleeding heart either but I do care or pay attention to atrocities like what is happening in NK.

I'm just shocked the entire world turns a blind eye to NK, and the only time the country is relevant is when the present dictator threatens to attack someone.
 
Mr.Nick said:
North Korea doesn't even have the capabilities to hit US soil, let alone the technology to deliver an EMP (I have no idea how they could possibly do that).
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You need to do a little more research. If they do not have the capability today, this minute, they may well have it soon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/world/asia/on-3d-try-south-korea-launches-satellite-into-orbit.html?_r=0

That task gained more urgency after North Korea launched a long-range rocket on Dec. 12 that put a satellite into orbit, after earlier failures. Only a handful of countries have succeeded in independently launching satellites into orbit, with Iran also recently joining the club.
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If you can put a satellite in orbit, you can potentially drop a payload on any continent on Earth. While doing so accurately would perhaps be trickier, the first step is the biggest... and again, what if they are actually getting covert tech/material support from China?

Did North Korea Test A 'Miniature' Nuclear Bomb? : NPR
 
American said:
What the hell is your problem? Can't you ever let something alone? Your comments are irrelevent.
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Sorry I didn't put a smiley face on it so that you'd know a joke when you see it.
 
Goshin said:
You need to do a little more research. If they do not have the capability today, this minute, they may well have it soon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/world/asia/on-3d-try-south-korea-launches-satellite-into-orbit.html?_r=0



If you can put a satellite in orbit, you can potentially drop a payload on any continent on Earth. While doing so accurately would perhaps be trickier, the first step is the biggest... and again, what if they are actually getting covert tech/material support from China?

Did North Korea Test A 'Miniature' Nuclear Bomb? : NPR
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I've read like 10+ books on the Korean War, the aftermath, and the rise of the cult of personality with the "Kims."

I'm not concerned by North Korea whatsoever.

As far as EMP's from low orbits.... North Korea cant even deliver a nuke to the US but you actually think they have technology to deliver an EMP from 120,000 feet? I don't even know if we can do that. An EMP from space is not practical (besides the obvious solar flares which is a different animal).

I question North Koreas intent on their alleged satellite as well, however if anything - if it is a weapon, it would probably be biological with its intent to be destroyed on reentry.

I don't worry about that because if its orbit had a decent rate back to reentry of a year or two we probably would have destroyed it by now... Maybe we did, maybe that is why Mr. Un is so pissed and talking crazy?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I've read like 10+ books on the Korean War, the aftermath, and the rise of the cult of personality with the "Kims."

I'm not concerned by North Korea whatsoever.

As far as EMP's from low orbits.... North Korea cant even deliver a nuke to the US but you actually think they have technology to deliver an EMP from 120,000 feet? I don't even know if we can do that. An EMP from space is not practical (besides the obvious solar flares which is a different animal).

I question North Koreas intent on their alleged satellite as well, however if anything - if it is a weapon, it would probably be biological with it's intent to be destroyed on reentry.

I don't worry about that because if it's orbit had a decent rate back to reentry of a year or two we probably would have destroyed it by now... Maybe we did, maybe that is why Mr. Un is so pissed and talking crazy?
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Ok. I've said what I had to say, you don't agree. :shrug:
 
Goshin said:
Ok. I've said what I had to say, you don't agree. :shrug:
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I agree that North Korea is certainly a potential threat, just not presently.

I would shoot their satellite down if it had a reentry window of less than 20 years. We probably already did that tho.

Who knows what's on that ****ing "satellite" - considering there is limited to no communication via wireless networks in NK the idea they need a "satellite" seems odd. It's certainly not for telecommunications. At the same time they could just be telling people that launch was launching a North Korean to the moon. Regardless I would kill it.
 
MMC said:
I think putting up a Satellite into space successfully is what caused the DOD to accept the fact that they could now indeed hit the US.....West Coast not East.

Also I think it was due to when the NKoreas alluded to the issue that they did not need to hit the US. But rather blow off the Nuke in a way Cause a Magnetic Pulse. Which would bring almost everything with electronics to a dead stop. That's if they could get them to detonate over the US.
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Putting a rocket into space isn't the same as making it go where you want to. North Korea still hasn't grasped that yet.
 
Mr.Nick said:
North Korea doesn't even have the capabilities to hit US soil, let alone the technology to deliver an EMP (I have no idea how they could possibly do that). It's more likely we get an EMP from terrorists than the North Koreans. Hell, someone could walk around in downtown NYC (or anywhere) with an EMP and start frying devices.

I view North Korea as a zero threat...

The problem I have with North Korea is not the fact they talk **** but the cult of personality that exists within its boarders. The human rights violations are astounding... I'm not a progressive or bleeding heart either but I do care or pay attention to atrocities like what is happening in NK.

I'm just shocked the entire world turns a blind eye to NK, and the only time the country is relevant is when the present dictator threatens to attack someone.
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The thing about North Korea is that they are basically an outcast to the rest of the world.

They're like that creepy kid in the 4th grade who nobody wanted to talk to. The poor bastard had no friends and he spent all his time alone with nothing else to think about but the fact that nobody liked him and how worthless he was. Year after year of imprisonment by that mindset led him to the realization that having someone, ANYONE, notice him for even a brief second was worth whatever cost the world would impose on him. That's about the point where he got his hands on uncle Buddy's gun and shot seven people at a theater for no good reason.

North Korea, as a society, is the equivalent of the kid I just described.

Nobody should claim that they didn't see this one coming...
 
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