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Nort Korea Vows Nuclear Attack.

Cardinal said:
Does the little dog in your simile possess fissile material?
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Sure, but I don't think the little dog is as crazy as it sounds. NK knows that any nuclear action on its part will result in total and complete destruction of NK.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Sure, but I don't think the little dog is as crazy as it sounds. NK knows that any nuclear action on its part will result in total and complete destruction of NK.
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I'll cede that if they were that willing to self destruct they likely would have instigated something with conventional warfare by now, but just threatening the use of nuclear weapons as if they occupied the same plane as conventional weapons crosses a very serious line. What's happening with North Korea is actually everything we were told was happening with Iraq and Iran. They have nuclear material and the will to turn them into deliverable weapons, and they have made active threats. This is real.
 
Regarding war with nK compared to Iran, I'd also note that removing the Iranian regme would permit a reduction of arms to Saudi Arabia.



Risky Thicket said:
Sure, but I don't think the little dog is as crazy as it sounds. NK knows that any nuclear action on its part will result in total and complete destruction of NK.
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But does Kim Jong Ass really care? I think if he did he wouldn't let so many starve. Look at what Assad did to Syria instead of giving up power, or Gaddafi. Saddam used chems on his own people, killing 10k at a time.
 
Paschendale said:
If there is any nation where military action is warranted, it's North Korea. But the national discussion is always centered on attacking the Muslims for religious reasons and taking their oil. Liberating oppressed people was never actually a motivation, but with regard to NK, it should be. The world would be a much safer place with a North Korea that isn't cut off from the world in a dystopian prison nation and run by a crazy person with nukes.
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I'm surprised that you're doubling down on playing the fool for partisan purposes.

Prior to DPRK getting nukes they had a huge well trained army and enough artillery to lay waste to Seoul. They still have a huge well trained army that would have to be dealt with during an invasion and the ultimate trump card of nuclear annihilation of one or more US west coast cities, as well as the aforementioned writing of Seoul off the balance sheets.

To invade DPRK, we would have to be willing to accept body counts in the millions with major US cities being uninhabitable for hundreds or possibly thousands of years, and that's not even taking the actual invasion of the country into account.

Invading the DPRK, to put it mildly, would be different from invading Iraq. It's a difference so profound that if you choose to continue to ignore it, it brands you as someone not to take seriously.

You're smarter than that Paschendale, I know you are. So stop acting stupid.
 
We should launch about 20 empty warheads into the outlying Pyongyang countryside just to prove a point.

This is like a wheelchair basketball team taking on the Miami Heat.
 
poweRob said:
Listen... North Korea threatened us with a nuclear strike. Clearly we need to reinvade Iraq.
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What the hell is your problem? Can't you ever let something alone? Your comments are irrelevent.
 
If that little twit ever fires a nuke at us, he will shortly thereafter becoming a smoking hole. End of story.
 
Make him a US citizen so Obama can kill him with a drone strike.
 
ecofarm said:
Regarding war with nK compared to Iran, I'd also note that removing the Iranian regme would permit a reduction of arms to Saudi Arabia.





But does Kim Jong Ass really care? I think if he did he wouldn't let so many starve. Look at what Assad did to Syria instead of giving up power, or Gaddafi. Saddam used chems on his own people, killing 10k at a time.
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We will soon find out what Kim thinks. There is no doubt that sometime soon, probably by early summer, Israel and the US will attack Iran. Bank on that. When it happens we shall see what NK does. It would be a perfect time for a madman to make his move. Will he? Who knows? I suspect NK is goaded more often than not by China. China is involved in Iran, Russia too.

International Nuclear Chess with ICBMs as chess pieces. Feckin lovely, innit?
 
American said:
If that little twit ever fires a nuke at us, he will shortly thereafter becoming a smoking hole. End of story.
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Yeah, um, thanks that's great. I'm on the West Coast, though, so uh, it would be awesome if it didn't get that far.
 
Risky Thicket said:
International Nuclear Chess with ICBMs as chess pieces. Feckin lovely, innit?
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Let's just make sure that we don't add the Iranian regime to the mix.
 
Mr.Nick said:
There is a massive difference.

I don't even know where to begin but "cult of personality" is definitely a start.

Saddam without question was a brutal and arrogant dictator but he is no where near Kim Jong Il or Kim Il-Sung. North Koreans actually believe Kim Il-Sung is God and Kim Jong Il would be like a Jesus figure to put it into a perspective a Christian or someone of the west could understand.

North Koreans are segregated from our world or the world and believe the life they're living is utopia while they're nothing but slaves.

At least in Iraq they understood there was developed nations outside their own.

North Koreans don't get that or even understand that. It's horrible.
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I couldn't agree more. The people of North Korea are the most in need of Liberation of any nation on earth. They don't even have food.
 
ChuckBerry said:
I'm surprised that you're doubling down on playing the fool for partisan purposes.

Prior to DPRK getting nukes they had a huge well trained army and enough artillery to lay waste to Seoul. They still have a huge well trained army that would have to be dealt with during an invasion and the ultimate trump card of nuclear annihilation of one or more US west coast cities, as well as the aforementioned writing of Seoul off the balance sheets.

To invade DPRK, we would have to be willing to accept body counts in the millions with major US cities being uninhabitable for hundreds or possibly thousands of years, and that's not even taking the actual invasion of the country into account.

Invading the DPRK, to put it mildly, would be different from invading Iraq. It's a difference so profound that if you choose to continue to ignore it, it brands you as someone not to take seriously.

You're smarter than that Paschendale, I know you are. So stop acting stupid.
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What the hell is partisan about this? Iran is not a threat. North Korea is. And by all evidence, NK does not have the ability to strike the United States. But it is hellbent on obtaining that ability and continually states that it plans to use it. There is nothing partisan about seeing reality. If the United States is to have an interventionalist policy (which may or may not be the right policy), then we should use it wisely, not just to satisfy the desire of Evangelical extremists to have a holy war against their favorite religious enemy. The Middle East has been attempting to modernize for decades. That movement was interrupted by the intervention from the US and the USSR during the Cold War, but they are still travelling in that direction. If we can avoid armed conflict with nations like Iran or Pakistan, they will be eager members of the modern world within this century. North Korea, meanwhile, continues to be the most extreme example of a human rights abusing, totalitarian, militaristic, fascist dictatorship in the world.

Your doomsaying about North Korea attacking the US now is totally unfounded. Their rockets cannot reach us. But if we let them sit for another 20 years, that will no longer be the truth. Seoul might be in danger? Seoul is in danger now. A swift attack to disable North Korea's nuclear arsenal is the only way to ensure that we remain so. Unlike Iraq and Iran, this enemy is determined to harm us, will have the ability to do that if we wait, and is actually crazy enough to start a nuclear war.

Iraq had a larger military when we attacked them, and no one was afraid to attack because of what they might do to Kuwait or Israel in retaliation. I have no idea why you would choose to appease the actually dangerous enemy in the world and continually advocate attacking someone who does not threaten us. Is it just for religious reasons? That's the only motivation that seems to make any sense.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm glad everyone in the white house and congress disagrees with you.
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Yeah, nobody in Congress has invited me to go out drinking and whoring with them. I suppose I'm not on the friend list there. ;) Obama won't return my calls. My influence in Washington is questionable.
 
d0gbreath said:
I couldn't agree more. The people of North Korea are the most in need of Liberation of any nation on earth. They don't even have food.
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but we cannot want it for them
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yeah, nobody in Congress has invited me to go out drinking and whoring with them. I suppose I'm not on the friend list there. ;) Obama won't return my calls. My influence in Washington is questionable.
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Come to the dark side.
 
Paschendale said:
What the hell is partisan about this? Iran is not a threat. North Korea is. And by all evidence, NK does not have the ability to strike the United States. But it is hellbent on obtaining that ability and continually states that it plans to use it. There is nothing partisan about seeing reality. If the United States is to have an interventionalist policy (which may or may not be the right policy), then we should use it wisely, not just to satisfy the desire of Evangelical extremists to have a holy war against their favorite religious enemy. The Middle East has been attempting to modernize for decades. That movement was interrupted by the intervention from the US and the USSR during the Cold War, but they are still travelling in that direction. If we can avoid armed conflict with nations like Iran or Pakistan, they will be eager members of the modern world within this century. North Korea, meanwhile, continues to be the most extreme example of a human rights abusing, totalitarian, militaristic, fascist dictatorship in the world.

Your doomsaying about North Korea attacking the US now is totally unfounded. Their rockets cannot reach us. But if we let them sit for another 20 years, that will no longer be the truth. Seoul might be in danger? Seoul is in danger now. A swift attack to disable North Korea's nuclear arsenal is the only way to ensure that we remain so. Unlike Iraq and Iran, this enemy is determined to harm us, will have the ability to do that if we wait, and is actually crazy enough to start a nuclear war.

Iraq had a larger military when we attacked them, and no one was afraid to attack because of what they might do to Kuwait or Israel in retaliation. I have no idea why you would choose to appease the actually dangerous enemy in the world and continually advocate attacking someone who does not threaten us. Is it just for religious reasons? That's the only motivation that seems to make any sense.
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Iraq may have had a large military when it invaded Kuwait, but size does not always mean it is superior. Desert storm proved that the Iraqi army was fighting a 21st century war with a Cold War mindset. They did not forsee any possibility for the coalition forces to cross the desert to flank them. Then again the Iraqis never forsaw the use of GPS.

Kim Jung un is a kid, he is probably more interested in partying and showboating then military conflict. As for the generals of North Korea, I think they are the brains of the regime, and they are not sucidal.
 
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Cardinal said:
Yeah, um, thanks that's great. I'm on the West Coast, though, so uh, it would be awesome if it didn't get that far.
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That's up to NK, so you better hope they come to their senses.
 
d0gbreath said:
I couldn't agree more. The people of North Korea are the most in need of Liberation of any nation on earth. They don't even have food.
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Iraq didn't either, remember Food for Oil scam?
 
If NK nuked anybody it would be Japan. They do this every six months when the bribe money runs dry to try to extort aid without it looking like aid.
 
Fisher said:
If NK nuked anybody it would be Japan. They do this every six months when the bribe money runs dry to try to extort aid without it looking like aid.
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You know they better hope that Japan never changes their constitution, and decides to build nukes. Anyone that thinks Japan is too stupid to build one is delusional.
 
We don't liberate countries that have China backing them militarily. But NK is quickly losing their only real ally, then it is only a matter of time. We are already spending taxpayer dollars to rebuild the infrastructure of SK, might as well spend some destroying NKs.
 
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