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    Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-US-soil.html

    By Jon Swaine, Washington6:52PM GMT 06 Mar 2013
    President Barack Obama has the authority to use an unmanned drone strike to kill US citizens on American soil, his attorney general has said.

    Eric Holder argued that using lethal military force against an American in his home country would be legal and justified in an "extraordinary circumstance" comparable to the September 11 terrorist attacks.

    "The president could conceivably have no choice but to authorise the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland," Mr Holder said.
    I'm not sure where to start on this one, so, I'll just put it out there, and see what others comments are?

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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil' - Telegraph

    I'm not sure where to start on this one, so, I'll just put it out there, and see what others comments are?
    On the surface, I don't disagree with the statement. If we had a drone up in the air and it was known that the airplane was going to crash into a building I would not fault an administration with shooting down the plane full of American citizens to save thousands more.

    On the surface, I also don't have a problem with the killing of a known American terrorist that aligned themselves with Al-Qaeda.

    The main problem I have is how this can end up being abused by another president down the road. I don't think Obama would use this against the "common" protestor but I do believe down the road another president could. That's the dangerous part and why I think this would set a deadly precedence and shouldn't be allowed.

    We need to have a better mechanism for deciding "who" is an enemy of the state and "why".

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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    What happened to the right to a fair trial? I do not like this simply because of the implications it has for the future.

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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by hailthorn View Post
    What happened to the right to a fair trial? I do not like this simply because of the implications it has for the future.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    There's an identically titled thread two hours older.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    On the surface, I don't disagree with the statement.
    Nor do most people I think. It is a long practiced tenant of the US justice system that crime in progress that is a danger to innocent life with deadly force, is stoppable with deadly force by law enforcement. But that isn't what Holder, and the WH are, or were claiming up to yesterday is it?

    If we had a drone up in the air and it was known that the airplane was going to crash into a building I would not fault an administration with shooting down the plane full of American citizens to save thousands more.
    Wait a minute, "if we had a drone up in the air"? Armed I assume....Why would that be? Just out flyin' around on a joy trip? You didn't like Bush tapping into phone calls from abroad to people here from known AQ members without a warrant, but an armed drone with missiles is just fine with you?

    On the surface, I also don't have a problem with the killing of a known American terrorist that aligned themselves with Al-Qaeda.
    If they are on American soil don't they get to face their accusers? I guess not....Ya know, we are flying OBL's son in law to the US to stand trial, and giving him his miranda rights, instead of flying him to GITMO where he belongs to extract intel, but an American citizen that allegedly aligns themselves with AQ, or is labeled a terrorist can be blown off the street without arrest, or trial? How's that make sense?

    The main problem I have is how this can end up being abused by another president down the road. I don't think Obama would use this against the "common" protestor but I do believe down the road another president could.
    Why don't you think Obama would use it? Because he says so and that is good enough for you?

    That's the dangerous part and why I think this would set a deadly precedence and shouldn't be allowed.
    I agree, it shouldn't be allowed.

    We need to have a better mechanism for deciding "who" is an enemy of the state and "why".
    We have one for this country. It's called a trial.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by hailthorn View Post
    What happened to the right to a fair trial? I do not like this simply because of the implications it has for the future.
    When Americans decided it was ok to deliberately target an American for death. Oh, it was ok because he was overseas working with our enemies, right?

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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Remember after 9/11 when all the Conservatives were supporting the Patriot Act based on the notion that 24 (the show) type scenarios were possible? Reap what you sow.
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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Remember after 9/11 when all the Conservatives were supporting the Patriot Act based on the notion that 24 (the show) type scenarios were possible? Reap what you sow.
    ... though, without regard to party affiliation, I do not think the POTUS gets to be judge, jury and executioner on an American citizen, here or abroad. That said, the CIA has been carrying on such covert operations for decades... now we have a machine that does it.

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    Re: Barack Obama 'has authority to use drone strikes to kill Americans on US soil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Remember after 9/11 when all the Conservatives were supporting the Patriot Act based on the notion that 24 (the show) type scenarios were possible? Reap what you sow.
    Sorry, but drone strikes on noncombatant Americans on American soil (or anywhere else) was not authorized by the Patriot Act or even dreamed of by Congress. Trying to draw an equivalence is pure obfuscation.

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