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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

ernst barkmann said:
funny how its under the BILL OF (RIGHTS)

WHO IS THE BILL PROTECTING? THE PEOPLE FROM GOVERNMENT, WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE... HUMAN BEINGS.

ITS LAUGABLE TO SAY THAT THEIR IS NO RIGHT TO LIFE.

ALSO YOU HAVE LIBERTY, IF I TAKE YOUR LIFE I TAKE YOUR LIBERTY.

SECURE IN MY LIFE , LIBERTY AND PROPERTY

CURRENTLY TRHE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO KILLED 4 AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI.

THE U.S. WILL SEEK JUSTICE FOR THOSE 4 PEOPLE KILLED, AND FUFIFILL ITS DUTY.:lol:
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The bill of rights and the constitution apply to citizens of the u.s.

A fetus is not considered a citizen until born on u.s. soil, therefore your argument is debunked.
 
Grant said:
So it would be human then. And because it is alive it is literally being,

Ergo, it is a human being as soon as there is life.
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1. How is that reported in the US Census?

2. Do zefs count as a person in state and federal income tax deductions?
 
Pilot said:
Homo sapiens? aka: Human Beings
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No. a fetus, zygote or embryo...not classified as human until it is separated voluntarily from the womb.
 
Grant said:
So it would be human then. And because it is alive it is literally being,

Ergo, it is a human being as soon as there is life.
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No, a fetus. It's not human until it voluntarily separates itself from the womb.
 
Risky Thicket said:
1. How is that reported in the US Census?

2. Do zefs count as a person in state and federal income tax deductions?
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Neither of your points apply to illegal immigrants, are they not humans? I didn't realize the term "alien" was literal.
 
Pilot said:
Neither of your points apply to illegal immigrants, are they not humans? I didn't realize the term "alien" was literal.
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Follow Grant and Sangha backwards about 5 or 6 posts. I responded to that conversation. You'll notice that I said nothing about immigrants, illegal or otherwise. Please note that I didn't say anything about aliens either.
 
sangha said:
The phrase "human beings" and the word "person" have two different meanings.

Your argument is so weak that you're getting all heated up trying to find something to grasp onto, so now you're shouting about Benghazi, as if that has something to do with the abortion issue.
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what are you trying your usual word game.

due process of law, protect ones .....life, liberty and property.

unalienable rights, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness,from the DOI..... the USSC has interpreted that pursuit of happiness, .....translates into property.

i didnt say Benghazi has a thing to due with abortion, i an saying the u.s. seeks justice for the life's of Americans, who's right to life has been taken from them.
 
TheNextEra said:
The bill of rights and the constitution apply to citizens of the u.s.

A fetus is not considered a citizen until born on u.s. soil, therefore your argument is debunked.
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well that is not my argument, i am stating people who are living, i never mentioned the fetus.

sangha is stating their in NO right to life....that it does not exist.

due process of law protects, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness......it is protecting those rights.


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, -------->nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

stating a person, ......is not meaning human, is crazy.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Follow Grant and Sangha backwards about 5 or 6 posts. I responded to that conversation. You'll notice that I said nothing about immigrants, illegal or otherwise. Please note that I didn't say anything about aliens either.
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I was merely showing how your post is useless for explaining what a human is.
 
Pilot said:
I was merely showing how your post is useless for explaining what a human is.
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Except that I wasn't explaining what a human is, I said nothing about immigrants and I said nothing about aliens of any kind. :roll:
 
ernst barkmann said:
well that is not my argument, i am stating people who are living, i never mentioned the fetus.

due process of law protects, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness......it is protecting those rights.


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, -------->nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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And those are all things that are afforded to U.S. citizens. A fetus is not considered a U.S. citizen until birth. Again, your argument does not hold water.
 
TheNextEra said:
And those are all things that are afforded to U.S. citizens. A fetus is not considered a U.S. citizen until birth. Again, your argument does not hold water.
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you are correct, towards us. citizens...again that is not what my argument with sangha is..... he says their is .....no right to life...none.

did you ever see from my statements where i say fetus, no... ...except for my last post referencing you.
 
Pilot said:
Neither of your points apply to illegal immigrants, are they not humans? I didn't realize the term "alien" was literal.
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The constitution says the census should count all "persons"

Fetii are not counted because they are not persons
 
Pilot said:
Neither of your points apply to illegal immigrants, are they not humans? I didn't realize the term "alien" was literal.
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Illegal immigrants are counted by the census because they are persons

ZEFs are not counted because the unborn are not persons
 
ernst barkmann said:
what are you trying your usual word game.

due process of law, protect ones .....life, liberty and property.

unalienable rights, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness,from the DOI..... the USSC has interpreted that pursuit of happiness, .....translates into property.
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No, it doesn't translate into property. Please quote where the consitution says that the pursuit of happiness translates to property


i didnt say Benghazi has a thing to due with abortion, i an saying the u.s. seeks justice for the life's of Americans, who's right to life has been taken from them.
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I know. You were just ranting because you have no argument

The unborn are not citizens. In order to be a citizen, one must be either born in the US, or naturalized. The unborn are neither
 
ernst barkmann said:
well that is not my argument, i am stating people who are living, i never mentioned the fetus.

sangha is stating their in NO right to life....that it does not exist.

due process of law protects, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness......it is protecting those rights.


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, -------->nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

stating a person, ......is not meaning human, is crazy.
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You are posting lies. I never said that there is no right to liffe

However, you're the one who said the govt only has those powers granted to it by the constitution, yet you can't quote where the constitution says the govt has the power to protect peoples right to life.

It's not my fault that even you can't adhere to your own beliefs and have to abandon them when they prove themselves insufficient
 
Risky Thicket said:
Except that I wasn't explaining what a human is, I said nothing about immigrants and I said nothing about aliens of any kind. :roll:
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They just don't get it

They think "human", person, citizen, etc all mean the same thing :screwy
 
sangha said:
No, it doesn't translate into property. Please quote where the consitution says that the pursuit of happiness translates to property






I know. You were just ranting because you have no argument

The unborn are not citizens. In order to be a citizen, one must be either born in the US, or naturalized. The unborn are neither
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the USSC court has translated it into ----->property.

and you argument is wrong, because i have NOT stated the unborn is a citizen.

in fact i have argued THE case on YOUR side, but you never saw it, because your blind, -------->anything i say...is wrong because of a predisposed thoughts.

i stated i am NOT on the side of abortion, to have them, that it is my personal opinion, .......but as a libertarian, a person, a human being has a right to do with his body, property as he wills.

i argued that your body is YOUR property, meaning you have a right to do with it as you will and that means all property, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others, this even means taking drugs.

as to the rant, i was not on my usual iMAC, early this morning and instead working off a small PC at another location, and after i saw my typing it was in large caps, and i was not going to retype it all over again.

as a libertarian, i do not believe in everything people do,........... however i recognize their RIGHT to do things anyway i believe to be wrong...............something you do not, when its comes to other matters of rights.......IE property.
 
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