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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

Ikari said:
What about women who don't know until they go
into labor? I mean, should they be forced to care for a baby they knew nothing about?
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They can choose adoption
 
Jack Fabulous said:
12
weeks seems very reasonable. There is no rational reason I can think of to let it go beyond that. Hell, even in Russia they have a 12 week limit. You can pretty much walk into any clinic prior to that and get an abortion no questions asked. Once you reach 12 weeks, though, you're SOL. Medical emergencies only.
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I am curious why people abort late myself. I am kind of assuming it would be for reasons involving fetal health at that point.

My attitude towards abortion changes when it involves an unplanned pregnancy verses a terminal or severely deformed fetus that the parents planned and wanted. It is tragic, and I think they should have the right to abort.
 
in a country of 4 billion people, you think every woman would have to have 12 babies a year in order for a million babies to be born? true, only 1 in 4 chinese people is a woman of reproductive age, but you would still have to be clueless about the difference between (a Milllion, with an M, and a Billion, with a B) , as well as the difference between a month and a year. And no, I didn't postulated an unfounded statement there are a million abortions a year in China. I noted a well-documented and easy-to-look-up fact that a million abortions in China a year occur for the reason that the baby is a girl and the parents want a boy. There are also about 12 million other abortions a year in China, for other reasons, or for reason undeclared, very well documented, proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, and easy to look up. That's not even close to every Chinese woman having an abortion at all, let alone every Chinese woman having an abortion every month. And yes, over 95% of Chinese women who do have abortions, have several abortions a year, and this minority of Chinese women are undoubtedly also responsible for the vast majority of dumpster babies. Although I am sure you were sarcastically implying that an abortion can only take place once every nine months, An abortion can in fact happen once every 28 1/2 days.
 
Pilot said:
I absolutely cannot stand people using google hits for statistics. I just googled "U.S. Presidents"... apparently the have been three hundred and sixty four million U.S Presidents...
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LOL and they released 8 albums and even won a Grammy. . .and built a Whiskey empire . . . all in the same year.

What! :shock:
 
It is vary rare for a woman to be unaware that's she's pregnant until she goes into labor, and when it does happen, it happens to morbidly obese women who are physically incapable of taking care of a child. Abortion wouldn't end the pregnancy in these cases, since delivery and abortion would take the same amount of time. Abortion in these cases would just be gratuitous violence. Delivery doesn't harm these women, who didn't know they were pregnant because the pregnancy didn't affect them measurably. They typically feel no pain during delivery. They're so fat the baby just slides out. It's totally not a medical reason for abortion. The woman usually gives the baby up for adoption, and has the option of spending the adoption fees on a lyposuction and a personal trainer.
 
sangha said:
That quote does not give the govt the power to protect all human life. It only protects *people" from unreasonable search or seizures.

IOW, it protects the life of no one and nothing.

So where does the constitution say that the govt has the power and the duty to protect all human life?
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i can very easy use the 9th, however i willl use this and leave it to you to find it........nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property
 
ernst barkmann said:
i can very easy use the 9th, however i willl use this and leave it to you to find it........nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property
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That would be the one that begins with the word "No person", right?

Funny how it doesn't start with "No human"
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
Why, yes there are accurate records. There are about 14 dumpster babies per year in the United States, according to very well-kept and very accessible death statistics, about 10x lower than the rate in European countries, ...
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Could you please post a link that backs up your claim?
TIA
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
It is vary rare for a woman to be unaware that's she's pregnant until she goes into labor,.....
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I agree it is rare.
It happens to about 1 out ever 600 women. I disagree with the rest of your statement.
 
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AmericanWoman76 said:
It is vary rare for a woman to be unaware that's she's pregnant until she goes into labor, and when it does happen, it happens to morbidly obese women who are physically incapable of taking care of a child. ....
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No it happens to women of all sizes.

Published Wednesday, September 26, 2012

A lot of people were shocked when they read that a British soldier who gave birth on the front line in Afghanistan was unaware she was pregnant.

However, UK daily The Sun has come across more women who discovered they were pregnant only when they went into labour.


Emma Hobday who is now 19, went into labour when she was merely 16 years old.
She was still fitting into her size 10 denim trousers, she told the daily.

She was rushed to a hospital with stomach cramps as her mother suspected that the teenager had appendicitis. The doctors told the daughter that she was pregnant and was ready to deliver. Her son was born exactly 20 minutes later.

In another case, a 21-year-old Stacie Speak, was in the middle of her waitressing shift when she felt a sharp pain in her stomach. She went to the washroom and didn't even realise that her water had just broken. The pain intensified and forced her to lie down on the bathroom floor and suddenly her baby boy slipped out.

Meanwhile, her boyfriend, who was a chef in the same hotel in Scotland, broke through the bathroom door when he heard her screaming in pain, to find her sitting on the floor with their baby in her arms.

The couple were shocked to find themselves as parents of the tiny baby
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Woman gives birth 20 minutes after learning she was pregnant - Emirates 24/7

Joanne had continued to have her periods up to when she gave birth four weeks early.

She said: 'I wasn't even showing a bump, there was no clue I was pregnant.'

Her worried mother, Valerie, 52, phoned NHS Direct who advised her to call an ambulance as she may have appendicitis or kidney problems. But just half an hour later she felt the urge to push and healthy 6lb 1/2oz baby Madison Grace fell into the toilet basin.
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Read more: Barmaid, 22, who didn't know she was pregnant shocked after giving birth on the toilet | Mail Online
 
sangha said:
That would be the one that begins with the word "No person", right?

Funny how it doesn't start with "No human"
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funny how its under the BILL OF (RIGHTS)

WHO IS THE BILL PROTECTING? THE PEOPLE FROM GOVERNMENT, WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE... HUMAN BEINGS.

ITS LAUGABLE TO SAY THAT THEIR IS NO RIGHT TO LIFE.

ALSO YOU HAVE LIBERTY, IF I TAKE YOUR LIFE I TAKE YOUR LIBERTY.

SECURE IN MY LIFE , LIBERTY AND PROPERTY

CURRENTLY TRHE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO KILLED 4 AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI.

THE U.S. WILL SEEK JUSTICE FOR THOSE 4 PEOPLE KILLED, AND FUFIFILL ITS DUTY.:lol:
 
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AmericanWoman76 said:
It is vary rare for a woman to be unaware that's she's pregnant until she goes into labor, and when it does happen, it happens to morbidly obese women who are physically incapable of taking care of a child. Abortion wouldn't end the pregnancy in these cases, since delivery and abortion would take the same amount of time. Abortion in these cases would just be gratuitous violence. Delivery doesn't harm these women, who didn't know they were pregnant because the pregnancy didn't affect them measurably. They typically feel no pain during delivery. They're so fat the baby just slides out. It's totally not a medical reason for abortion. The woman usually gives the baby up for adoption, and has the option of spending the adoption fees on a lyposuction and a personal trainer.
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Is this supposed to be a humorous presentation? Because I can't see ANY factual information here at all. We need links, links, you need to show that somebody else besides you has this idea. If you don't have links, it's just all your imagination. And you've got a wild one.
 
TheNextEra said:
I haven't checked the validity of the articles (did a quick google) but there are a few of them. Here is one at least:

One in 600 women have no clue they're pregnant -- until delivery day. (Yes, really) | Work + Money - Yahoo! Shine

At least there is a link to an article for this unlike AmericanWoman76 comment.
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I'm not necessarily questioning the number. Mostly I couldn't believe that the same poster would attack someone for not providing a link, then directly after that post a very specific number and claim without providing a link.
 
Pilot said:
Double standard? Your very next post:

Source?
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I had read a while ago that 1 out 600 women did not know they were pregnant.

Here is a <SNIP> from the article:

How can any woman possibly miss the tell-tale signs that she is carrying a growing baby inside her?

Yet, according to studies, the phenomenon is not as rare as you might imagine.

In fact, statistics published last month show that one in 600 mums-to-be will be unaware they are pregnant until they give birth, or just before.


'It is something you come across very rarely as a midwife,' says Jen Mearns, midwifery manager of London's Birth Centre.

'There are a few very young women who are in self-denial about being pregnant. They might conceal their pregnancy from families and friends, and even pretend to themselves they aren't having a baby.

'But, difficult as it is for many people to imagine, situations where the woman truly has no idea she is having a baby really do happen. And often they occur in busy women, and particularly as they approach the menopause.'
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Read more: How could any woman not know she was pregnant until she gave birth? A new study suggests it's more common than you think | Mail Online
 
Pilot said:
I'm not necessarily questioning the number. Mostly I couldn't believe that the same poster would attack someone for not providing a link, then directly after that post a very specific number and claim without providing a link.
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I was not at my computer at the time I posted the number and I don't know how to copy and paste from my new iPad yet.
But I am always willing to back my posts with links when asked unless of course I make it clear that I am posting an opinion.

Also I was not attacking the poster.
I will admit that I was questioning the stats since I read a lot of articles and never came across any articles that supported her stats. That doesn't mean they are not correct. If they are correct I was interested in reading the whole article so I could learn more.
 
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Why are we debating this? It does not matter if it is "viable". There shouldn't be any limits or restrictions whatsoever. 9 days or 9 months, there's no difference.
 
DaLiberal said:
Why are we debating this? It does not matter if it is "viable". There shouldn't be any limits or restrictions whatsoever. 9 days or 9 months, there's no difference.
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You are either trolling, or incredibly ignorant. Possibly a combination of the two.
 
ernst barkmann said:
funny how its under the BILL OF (RIGHTS)

WHO IS THE BILL PROTECTING? THE PEOPLE FROM GOVERNMENT, WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE... HUMAN BEINGS.

ITS LAUGABLE TO SAY THAT THEIR IS NO RIGHT TO LIFE.

ALSO YOU HAVE LIBERTY, IF I TAKE YOUR LIFE I TAKE YOUR LIBERTY.

SECURE IN MY LIFE , LIBERTY AND PROPERTY

CURRENTLY TRHE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO KILLED 4 AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI.

THE U.S. WILL SEEK JUSTICE FOR THOSE 4 PEOPLE KILLED, AND FUFIFILL ITS DUTY.:lol:
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The phrase "human beings" and the word "person" have two different meanings.

Your argument is so weak that you're getting all heated up trying to find something to grasp onto, so now you're shouting about Benghazi, as if that has something to do with the abortion issue.
 
sangha said:
The phrase "human beings" and the word "person" have two different meanings.

Your argument is so weak that you're getting all heated up trying to find something to grasp onto, so now you're shouting about Benghazi, as if that has something to do with the abortion issue.
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Apart from one being singuar and the other being plural, where do you find the difference?
 
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