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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

Pilot said:
Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com

I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably
end up going to the SCOTUS.
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I don't think this will pass the SCOTUS litmus test. Most states allow abortion at least until 16 weeks, with some at 20. The only Federal limit was the partial birth abortion ban.

Arkansas is trying to set a new precedent and I don't think it will hold. If the 12 week limit is permitted then it would cause legal battles in all the other states. Just because the legislature did it, doesn't mean they have any real justification for it. SCOTUS will demand evidence and logical arguments, and at that point it will likely fail.
 
clownboy said:
I actually agree with that, but not how you *****foot over the converse side. It's not technically murder, but it IS killing. Abortion may not be murder, but it is legal killing (murder being illegal killing).
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We kill all the time

There's nothing illegal or immoral about it
 
Abortion infringes on the right to life. Agreeing that a woman's body is her property, a fetus' right to life may not take away a woman's use of her property. Therefore, if having a baby is going to kill or maim her, she has the right to an abortion. If it's just going to make her have to wear mom pants instead of skinny jeans, the fetus is really not confiscating nor destroying her property. There is no Constitutional guarantee of fashion excellence. A woman's desire to fashion excellence may not infringe on another human's right to life. Having an abortion to fit into skinny jeans is just as Unconstitutional as going to the mall with agun on Black Friday and shooting another shopper to get that dress on sale that you want before they can grab it.
 
sangha said:
We kill all the time

There's nothing illegal or immoral about it
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Silly and contextually overbroad statement. Not to mention, untrue on the face of it. Some killings are illegal and morality is in the eye of the beholder, so that position you hold is no more or less valid than those who say it IS immoral.
 
clownboy said:
Silly and contextually overbroad statement. Not to mention, untrue on the face of it. Some killings are illegal and morality is in the eye of the beholder, so that position you hold is no more or less valid than those who say it IS immoral.
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Which only proves that there's nothing immoral about the law allowing abortion.
 
sangha said:
So you actually do believe that the govt has rights?

That's a laughably ignorant belief
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Perhaps the word "rights" is not the correct word to use. Power to make laws, and power to enforce them are viewed by the public as the reason we have elections, so perhaps the word "power" is more apt. And yes, government apparently seeks to become more and more powerful all the time, IMO.
 
sangha said:
Which only proves that there's nothing immoral about the law allowing abortion.
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Only to you, and that's obviously not a high bar to clear. It's up to each individual to decide morality.
 
Northern Light said:
I don't think this will pass the SCOTUS litmus test. Most states allow abortion at least until 16 weeks, with some at 20. The only Federal limit was the partial birth abortion ban.

Arkansas is trying to set a new precedent and I don't think it will hold. If the 12 week limit is permitted then it would cause legal battles in all the other states. Just because the legislature did it, doesn't mean they have any real justification for it. SCOTUS will demand evidence and logical arguments, and at that point it will likely fail.
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I don't get the legal ramifications of the law: Are they saying abortions can't be performed after the 12 week limit in Arkansas or citizens of Arkansas can't legally have abortions after the 12 week limit ?................
 
clownboy said:
Ah, but that power is restricted by the ennumerated rights of the individual.
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you seem to be forgetting the 9th amendment

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
 
sangha said:
No, it's not
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So, Congress may enact laws that disregard the rights of the individual ennumerated in the Constitution? Wow, you've once again argued yourself into a corner.
 
Bonzai said:
I don't get the legal ramifications of the law: Are they saying abortions can't be performed after the 12 week limit in Arkansas or citizens of Arkansas can't legally have abortions after the 12 week limit ?................
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It limits providers, not patients. But the argument will still be the same. There is no legal justification to restrict providers.
 
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