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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    I apologize, my bad. I take it then that you do care deeply about the survival of all eggs and sperm, because they are human and alive, and want to criminalize all contraception. Either you do care or you don't care about sperm and eggs.
    This is BS. You're twisting things so as to build your own strawman argument. Allow me to tell you what I think on that subject, even though it is dangerously close to derailing the thread.

    I am against embryo stem cell research
    I am against abortion for contraceptive/convenience purposes (which at least the majority of them are)
    I am against irresponsible behavior
    I am against killing an innocent child in the womb because the mother is an irresponsible person, and doesn't want to be bothered in following through with the decision she made that night after 2 Long Island Ice Tea's.
    I am against not letting the father of said child in the womb having a say.
    I am against paying for your damned stupid choices or acts.
    I am against you telling me what I am obligated to do when I owe you nothing.

    I am against a lot, but rather than you dishonestly putting words in my mouth, and demonizing anyone that doesn't agree with your own attitudes, and thoughts on life, I would suggest that you learn how to have a discussion, and find out what others think, rather than assigning their thoughts from your own narrow viewpoint.

    Now if you'd like to continue, then do so civilly, or not, I couldn't care less either way.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Then please explain further what you expect Congress to do. Pretty please.
    If our representatives in congress feel so strongly that an overwhelming majority of their constituents want abortion on demand to be a "right" guaranteed by the constitution, then their path is clear, propose an amendment, and get it passed. Short of that, all you have is a SC decision that given the attitudes of the court and appointees could be overturned any time, made by sitting un-elected Justices that have made law by fiat.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    They do share humanness and aliveness with a zygote. "Human" as an adjective.
    *sigh* Extremism from either side is nonsense.

    The egg, or the sperm cell on its own is not a human life per se. It isn't until those two come together in the uterus, and that melding splits into a human embryo that it becomes a human life. Or in other words conception. But, this isn't new, abortion on demand advocates have a long history of renaming, and dismissing the humanity of the human embryo either to ease their own conscience, or to muddle the argument. It is disingenuous to the extreme.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is BS. You're twisting things so as to build your own strawman argument. Allow me to tell you what I think on that subject, even though it is dangerously close to derailing the thread.

    I am against embryo stem cell research
    I am against abortion for contraceptive/convenience purposes (which at least the majority of them are)
    I am against irresponsible behavior
    I am against killing an innocent child in the womb because the mother is an irresponsible person, and doesn't want to be bothered in following through with the decision she made that night after 2 Long Island Ice Tea's.
    I am against not letting the father of said child in the womb having a say.
    I am against paying for your damned stupid choices or acts.
    I am against you telling me what I am obligated to do when I owe you nothing.

    I am against a lot, but rather than you dishonestly putting words in my mouth, and demonizing anyone that doesn't agree with your own attitudes, and thoughts on life, I would suggest that you learn how to have a discussion, and find out what others think, rather than assigning their thoughts from your own narrow viewpoint.

    Now if you'd like to continue, then do so civilly, or not, I couldn't care less either way.
    You are against a lot, and you have every right to hold to those ideals when making choices regarding your own body. Nobody has asked you to pay for my stupid choices or even my better choices. You will, however, have to kick in your share when it comes to paying for children who are not supported by their parents. I am certainly not asking anything from you for myself.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    *sigh* Extremism from either side is nonsense.

    The egg, or the sperm cell on its own is not a human life per se. It isn't until those two come together in the uterus, and that melding splits into a human embryo that it becomes a human life. Or in other words conception. But, this isn't new, abortion on demand advocates have a long history of renaming, and dismissing the humanity of the human embryo either to ease their own conscience, or to muddle the argument. It is disingenuous to the extreme.
    It's disingenuous to "rename" the embryo "an innocent baby". It's not dismissive to recognize the differences in embryos and babies, and to recognize that at some stage the human acquires a value to society that it did not have earlier. Neither is it dismissive to recognize the price a woman pays to bring a new life into the world, and to grant her the respect of allowing her deciding if it is worth the cost to her.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    It's disingenuous to "rename" the embryo "an innocent baby". It's not dismissive to recognize the differences in embryos and babies, and to recognize that at some stage the human acquires a value to society that it did not have earlier. Neither is it dismissive to recognize the price a woman pays to bring a new life into the world, and to grant her the respect of allowing her deciding if it is worth the cost to her.
    It would be far more respectful to change her world so that the pregnancy and childbirth do not cost her so much that she contemplates abortion, than it would be to offer her the choice between toughing it out and having an abortion.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    It would be far more respectful to change her world so that the pregnancy and childbirth do not cost her so much that she contemplates abortion, than it would be to offer her the choice between toughing it out and having an abortion.
    Change her world? Perhaps you mean to lessen the financial stresses that accompany an unplanned pregnancy? I was thinking more in terms of the stresses to her body and health and permanent damage that occurs with pregnancy/childbirth. Kinda hard to change that part of her world.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Change her world? Perhaps you mean to lessen the financial stresses that accompany an unplanned pregnancy? I was thinking more in terms of the stresses to her body and health and permanent damage that occurs with pregnancy/childbirth. Kinda hard to change that part of her world.
    no, it's not hard at all. . the resources and advances in science are already available to provide prenatal care to do just that, it would just take a great deal of generosity and charity to make it happen, for most women who can't afford prenatal care.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am against irresponsible behavior
    I am against killing an innocent child in the womb because the mother is an irresponsible person, and doesn't want to be bothered in following through with the decision she made that night after 2 Long Island Ice Tea's.
    I am against paying for your damned stupid choices or acts.
    You say you are against having to pay for be mistakes of others and you are against abortion. What do you think happens when the woman is forced to give birth and then goes on welfare to support the child. You are paying for her mistakes. You can't have it both ways.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    no, it's not hard at all. . the resources and advances in science are already available to provide prenatal care to do just that, it would just take a great deal of generosity and charity to make it happen, for most women who can't afford prenatal care.
    It's not just hard, it's impossible. A woman's body is damaged permanently from pregnancy/childbirth. Every woman may not get ALL of this list of permanent effects, but every woman will get some.

    THE LIZ LIBRARY TABLE OF CONTENTS

    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    loose skin
    permanent weight gain or redistribution
    abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
    changes to breasts
    varicose veins
    scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
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