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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    This isn't the thread for that. If I wanted to discuss starving children, I would join that thread.
    You're missing the point...

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    You're missing the point...
    The point being that if you were really concerned about "human life", you would have to include sperm and eggs. You're not really concerned about "human life", so much as you're concerned women will get away without punishment for choosing sex.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    The point being that if you were really concerned about "human life", you would have to include sperm and eggs. You're not really concerned about "human life", so much as you're concerned women will get away without punishment for choosing sex.
    Now you've changed the subject.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Since there is no mention of abortion in the Constitution, and abortions were occurring during that time and it is certain the Founders knew that, we can assume it wasn't a matter of importance to them. They were content to leave that matter to the women who had been handling that matter for centuries.
    So we can assume that because it isn't in there that they intended it to be in there anyway. Any there many other laws that are in there but actually aren't in there?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So we can assume that because it isn't in there that they intended it to be in there anyway. Any there many other laws that are in there but actually aren't in there?
    NO. We can assume because it isn't in there, they intended it to not be there. They never intended to interfere with abortion rights that had existed for centuries.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    The point being that if you were really concerned about "human life", you would have to include sperm and eggs. You're not really concerned about "human life", so much as you're concerned women will get away without punishment for choosing sex.
    You seem confused here. You can have flour, eggs, sugar, etc. on a table, but that doesn't mean you have a cake.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    NO. We can assume because it isn't in there, they intended it to not be there. They never intended to interfere with abortion rights that had existed for centuries.
    How do you know what their views on abortion were? Could you provide a link to their musings?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you know what their views on abortion were? Could you provide a link to their musings?
    She knows everyone's opinion. She knew your thoughts on sperm and eggs before you posted anything about them, and she knows exactly what our framers thought of abortion.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem confused here. You can have flour, eggs, sugar, etc. on a table, but that doesn't mean you have a cake.
    True that, a point I have made many times. I suppose you're implying that eggs and sperm don't constitute "human life", but they're human and alive, so what else is necessary for "human life"? The point being that human and alive is not sufficient reason for society to extend protection.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you know what their views on abortion were? Could you provide a link to their musings?
    Surely, anyone can see that if they had strong views regarding abortion, they would have expressed them. They weren't shy on any other matters. Since they neglected to mention abortion at all, it simply could not have been a matter of importance.
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