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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    As we can see there are no hard facts.

    United States: In 2003, from data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted between 13 and 15 weeks, 4.2% between 16 and 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks.[13] Because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual study on abortion statistics does not calculate the exact gestational age for abortions performed past the 20th week, there are no precise data for the number of abortions performed after viability.[13] In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%, or approximately 1,032 per year.[14]
    It does seem that Arkansas is exercising it\s State Rights.

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    See also: Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act

    The United States Supreme Court decisions on abortion, including Roe v. Wade, allow states to impose more restrictions on post-viability abortions than during the earlier stages of pregnancy.

    As of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not facially unconstitutional (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court order.[18] In addition, the Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart ruled that Congress may ban certain late-term abortion techniques, "both previability and postviability".

    The Supreme Court has held that bans must include exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health, but four states allow late-term abortions only when the woman's life is at risk; four allow them when the woman's life or physical health is at risk, but use a definition of health that pro-choice organizations believe is impermissibly narrow.[18] Assuming that one of these state bans is constitutionally flawed, then that does not necessarily mean that the entire ban would be struck down: "invalidating the statute entirely is not always necessary or justified, for lower courts may be able to render narrower declaratory and injunctive relief."[19]

    Also, 13 states prohibit abortion after a certain number of weeks' gestation (usually 24 weeks).[18] The U.S. Supreme Court held in Webster v. Reproductive Health Services that a statute may create "a presumption of viability" after a certain number of weeks, in which case the physician must be given an opportunity to rebut the presumption by performing tests.[20] Therefore, those 13 states must provide that opportunity. Because this provision is not explicitly written into these 13 laws, as it was in the Missouri law examined in Webster, pro-choice organizations believe that such a state law is unconstitutional, but only "to the extent that it prohibits pre-viability abortions".[21]

    Ten states require a second physician to approve.[18] The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a requirement of "confirmation by two other physicians" (rather than one other physician) because "acquiescence by co-practitioners has no rational connection with a patient's needs and unduly infringes on the physician's right to practice".[22] Pro-choice organizations such as the Guttmacher Institute therefore interpret some of these state laws to be unconstitutional, based on these and other Supreme Court rulings, at least to the extent that these state laws require approval of a second or third physician.[18]

    Nine states have laws that require a second physician to be present during late-term abortion procedures in order to treat a fetus if born alive.[18] The Court has held that a doctor's right to practice is not infringed by requiring a second physician to be present at abortions performed after viability in order to assist in saving the life of the fetus.[23]

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As we can see there re no hard facts.



    It does seem that Arkansas is exercising it\s State Rights.
    It was estimated in 1997 that .08 percent of all abortions took place after 24 gestation. There are only 3 abortion doctors left in US who perform legal abortions after 24 weeks gestation.
    I really think the .08 percent is much less now.


    Post viabity means after viability which is currently 24 weeks gestation.
    The Arkansas law even limits abortions during the first trimester which is a violation of Roe vs. Wade.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    What specifically do you mean by works well?
    Specifically, they have no more abortions than the USA in spite of having no regulations.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Doesn't change the absolute fact that the child is as human in the womb, and it is outside the womb.
    You are using "human" as an adjective. Human eggs and sperm are also "human" and alive, yet you don't care what happens to them.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    You are using "human" as an adjective. Human eggs and sperm are also "human" and alive, yet you don't care what happens to them.

    What makes you think that? Have I said such? Or are you just making **** up?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you have it wrong. SC rulings are sometimes overturned. Stare decisis, is an overstep of Judicial powers. The courts were never supposed to be making law....You want abortion to be a right, do it the right way, through the amendment process.
    Who has the authority to overturn SC rulings? The SC is called "Supreme" for a reason, and that reason is that it is the highest authority. RvW is not actually a law, it is a SC ruling that the states don't have the authority to make blanket anti-abortion laws. It overruled state law, but did not make law; it stated limits on the states for regulating abortion. It is anti-abortionists who need to pass an amendment if they want abortion criminalized, since it is assumed to be legal until declared otherwise by those with the authority to do so.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Originally Posted by OKgrannie
    You are using "human" as an adjective. Human eggs and sperm are also "human" and alive, yet you don't care what happens to them.
    What makes you think that? Have I said such? Or are you just making **** up?
    I haven't heard you or anyone else complaining about eggs or sperm being destroyed. That is, before the magic moment they meet.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Abortion laws should always have been in State Rights, not part of federal law. As has been mentioned so often, there is no mention of abortion in the Constitution and had the Founders known that 'privacy" would somehow constitute the acceptance and approval of abortions, they quite likely would have worded the whole thing differently.
    Since there is no mention of abortion in the Constitution, and abortions were occurring during that time and it is certain the Founders knew that, we can assume it wasn't a matter of importance to them. They were content to leave that matter to the women who had been handling that matter for centuries.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    I haven't heard you or anyone else complaining about eggs or sperm being destroyed. That is, before the magic moment they meet.
    I haven't heard you complain about starving children in Africa. How could you possible be okay with starving children? I know you must be, because you have never commented on the matter.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I haven't heard you complain about starving children in Africa. How could you possible be okay with starving children? I know you must be, because you have never commented on the matter.
    This isn't the thread for that. If I wanted to discuss starving children, I would join that thread.
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