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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Are you trying to be funny?

    As you most likely know abortions can not take place after birth.
    And abortion means a fetus is expelled. Some abortions such as a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion happens naturally when a fetus has died in womb from natural causes. Some times a woman has what is called a missed abortion when the fetus has died in womb but it was not expelled naturally. In cases like those the woman needs a therapeutic abortion to remove the dead fetal material and prevent an infection.

    Sometimes if a woman chooses not to continue a pregnancy she might opt for an induced abortion.

    As you see now ...not all abortions are elective some are spontaneous , others are medically needed and some are induced.
    No, I don't see it as funny. Children would be much more well behaved if their parents could still abort them. As for abortions after birth, tell that to the doctor in Philadelphia who did just that.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    There is/are no child/ children until birth.
    There are no chickens until they are hatched.
    An embryo or fetus is not a child or a person until it is born.
    I have 4 grown children. I am a mother of 4.
    I had 6 pregnancies , 2 ended in miscarriage.
    One miscarriage was early 5 to 6 weeks gestation.
    The other was about 20 weeks.
    Those miscarriages were not children.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    There is/are no child/ children until birth.
    There are no chickens until they are hatched.
    An embryo or fetus is not a child or a person until it is born.
    I have 4 grown children. I am a mother of 4.
    I had 6 pregnancies , 2 ended in miscarriage.
    One miscarriage was early 5 to 6 weeks gestation.
    The other was about 20 weeks.
    Those miscarriages were not children.
    Even when the unborn baby is fully developed and identical to a child that has been born?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Even when the unborn baby is fully developed and identical to a child that has been born?
    An unborn is not identical to a child who has been born.
    The body functions are completely different.
    It is not a child/ person until it is born.
    I will agree that once a fetus becomes viaible it is a potential person and I agree with Roe vs. Wade that abortions should be limited to the extreme cases once viability is reached. The extreme cases are cases where the woman's life or irreparable damage to a major bodily function would take place if the pregnancy were allowed to continue, where the fetus has died in the womb, when it will be stillborn or when it so malformed it would live only a few minutes or hours.

    The limit of viability is 24 weeks gestation.
    Less than .08 of all abortions in the USA take place at or after 24 weeks gestation.
    They are the extreme cases that I mentioned above.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    'The measure bans most abortions at about 12 weeks of pregnancy, once a fetal heartbeat can be detected by a standard ultrasound. It includes exemptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother and major fetal conditions. Doctors who violate the prohibition would have their licenses revoked by the state medical board.'

    Seems fine to me.

    I mean, the woman had 12 weeks (more or less) to make up her mind if she wanted to abort it or not. If that is not enough time - tough.

    I am for abortions before there is brain activity.

    But once there is brain/heart activity, it is no longer a potential person - it IS a person...and to abort it is killing.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Or, you know, don't kill your kid in cold blood. Being a decent human being instead of a scumbag is always a valid scenario.
    You can use all the emotional blackmail you want to but it doesn't change the practical reality on the ground that for some, abortion is a personal choice that a woman can make. It doesn't change that many women have always needed the availability of safe abortion and if it is not available to them they will seek other help.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I agree this will result in women traveling to have abortions. Some people without morals will stop at nothing to fulfill their selfish needs. Including killing their unborn children.
    It's a woman's choice what she does with her own body, not yours. It's far more selfish to put unwanted children onto this world where they won't have the support and care anti-abortionists think they do. How many kids would end up living miserable lives in children's homes just to satisfy the selfish whims and morals of the anti-abortionist?
    Far better that the children who do get born are those who are wanted and who will be cared for than we ban abortion and have many born who face difficult lives and childhoods in children's homes just because you think abortion is a selfish act.

    And anyway, it is still the choice of the woman. On the other side, I am quite happy that if a woman chooses to have a child and the father says no that he has a reasonable time period to make his decision and be absolved of child care costs if the mother goes ahead.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com


    I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably end up going to the SCOTUS.
    At 12 weeks a fetus is not viable. This law will be thrown out faster than you can say "Get me a coat hanger".

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    At 12 weeks a fetus is not viable. This law will be thrown out faster than you can say "Get me a coat hanger".
    I agree. This state law is clearly in violation of our federal laws.
    I also feel it will be thrown out very quickly.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com


    I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably end up going to the SCOTUS.
    The Arkansas law is in conflict with Roe and Webster, which, combined, state that abortion for reasons other than to save the mother's life/prevent grave ill-health can be disallowed by the states after the unborn human reaches the age of medically assisted viability.

    The age of medically assisted viability is presently near 26 weeks .. but it is descending, as medical science continues its technological improvements.

    But 26 weeks is a far cry from the Arkansas law's 12 weeks.

    So clearly the Arkansas law is a challenge to Roe and Webster .. likely a deliberate one, hoping to make its way to the SCOTUS.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    It's a woman's choice what she does with her own body, not yours.
    Unless she wants to rent it out for an hour or two. That old cliche has never made any real sense because there are so many laws to the contrary.

    It's far more selfish to put unwanted children onto this world where they won't have the support and care anti-abortionists think they do. How many kids would end up living miserable lives in children's homes just to satisfy the selfish whims and morals of the anti-abortionist?
    And how many children would have happy lives with loving families who are prepared to adopt them?

    Far better that the children who do get born are those who are wanted and who will be cared for than we ban abortion and have many born who face difficult lives and childhoods in children's homes just because you think abortion is a selfish act.
    There are many children who have grown up with women on their own who are quite happy to be alive. Abortion is a selfish act and there is no getting around that. It should be legal, but it has to be understood also that it is immoral.
    And anyway, it is still the choice of the woman. On the other side, I am quite happy that if a woman chooses to have a child and the father says no that he has a reasonable time period to make his decision and be absolved of child care costs if the mother goes ahead.
    Yes, it's time that father's had a say in all of this as well. If a woman is responsible for her body that pretty much removes the responsibility from the man. And with the number of unwed mother's around that's seems to be the social situation we see now.

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