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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Why should the government be involved? Canada has no regulation on abortion and it works well for them.
    What specifically do you mean by works well?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Viability is ridiculous as a standard for when to consider a life human...A short time ago viability was at 30 weeks, today it is 23 to 24 weeks, with some cases documented as early as 21 weeks. As medical science gets better, viability only speaks to our ability to SAVE the LIFE, NOT to judge if it IS a life.
    40 years ago in Roe vs. Wade decision the SC set viability at 24-28 weeks gestation mark.

    Today the limit of viabilty is 24 weeks and has not changed 12 years.

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    The limit of viability is the gestational age at which a prematurely born fetus/infant has a 50% chance of long-term survival outside its mother's womb. With the support of neonatal intensive care units, the limit of viability in the developed world has declined since 50 years ago, but has remained unchanged in the last 12 years.[8][9]

    Currently the limit of viability is considered to be around 24 weeks although the incidence of major disabilities remains high at this point.


    [10][11] Neonatologists generally would not provide intensive care at 23 weeks, but would from 26 weeks.[12][13]

    During the past several decades, neonatal care has improved with advances in medical science, and therefore the limit of viability has moved earlier.[14] As of 2006, the two youngest children to survive premature birth are thought to be James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada, at 21 weeks and 5 days gestational age),[15][16] and Amillia Taylor (born on 24 October 2006 in Miami, Florida, at 21 weeks and 6 days gestational age).[17][18] Both children were born just under 22 weeks from fertilization, or a few days past the midpoint of an average full-term pregnancy.

    Amillia Taylor is also often cited as the most-premature baby.[17] She was born on 24 October 2006 in Miami, Florida, at 21 weeks and 6 days gestation.[19] At birth, she was 9 inches (22.86 cm) long and weighed 10 ounces (283 grams).[17] She suffered digestive and respiratory problems, together with a brain hemorrhage. She was discharged from the Baptist Children's Hospital on 20 February 2007.[17]
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    40 years ago in Roe vs. Wade decision the SC set viability at 24-28 weeks gestation mark.

    Today the limit of viabilty is 24 weeks and has not changed 12 years.

    from wiki:



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viabili
    Doesn't change the absolute fact that the child is as human in the womb, and it is outside the womb.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Sometimes the State is wrong and we have to think for ourselves. We should not take everything the State claims as being right.
    Roe vs Wade is Federal law and Federal laws have to follow the Constution.

    I agree some state laws ( which are voted by congressperson who do not follow the Constutional law) are sometimes wrong including the Arkansas law which bans abortions after 12 weeks gestation.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Roe vs Wade is Federal law and Federal laws have to Constitional.

    I agree some state laws ( which are voted by congressperson who do not follow Constional law) are sometimes wrong including the Arkansa law which bans abortions after 12 weeks gestation.

    No, you have it wrong. SC rulings are sometimes overturned. Stare decisis, is an overstep of Judicial powers. The courts were never supposed to be making law....You want abortion to be a right, do it the right way, through the amendment process.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Roe vs Wade is Federal law and Federal laws have to follow the Constution.

    I agree some state laws ( which are voted by congressperson who do not follow the Constutional law) are sometimes wrong including the Arkansas law which bans abortions after 12 weeks gestation.
    Abortion laws should always have been in State Rights, not part of federal law. As has been mentioned so often, there is no mention of abortion in the Constitution and had the Founders known that 'privacy" would somehow constitute the acceptance and approval of abortions, they quite likely would have worded the whole thing differently.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Roe vs Wade is Federal law and Federal laws have to follow the Constution.

    I agree some state laws ( which are voted by congressperson who do not follow the Constutional law) are sometimes wrong including the Arkansas law which bans abortions after 12 weeks gestation.
    The federal government is never wrong?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post


    Do you have a link to that?
    Late termination of pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    The federal government is never wrong?
    The Supremes decides on Constitutional law.

    Who said the federal government is never wrong?
    Not I.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The Supremes decides on Constitutional law.

    Who said the federal government is never wrong?
    Not I.
    Your sense of right and wrong is based on Supreme Court decisions? How do you handle matters that the court hasn't heard yet?

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