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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Medical science names the stages of the gestation, not anyone else. Not even the churches who want this banned because they don't believe a woman has a right to decide her future on her own. Nor to decide who will be the father of her children.
    As I said before the decision is made when the act of procreation is undertaken.

    You don't respect women. You consider them nothing more than breeder cows. Show me where Christ considers Mary Magdalene, a prostitute, to be nothing more than a breeder cow.
    No, that is you trying to come up with the most contemptible label you can imagine to pin on me, either for shock purposes, or to inflame the argument. The fact that the pro abortion side of the argument continually ties themselves in knots in an ever changing and growing terminology all to justify the undeniable fact that they are killing unborn human children, all for the sake of being able to shirk the responsibility of the act that they want to commit without responsibility, and have constructed this elaborate maze of terminology so that they don't have to face the fact that they are killing life, for a selfish act that results in the creation of that life shows their level of denial.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nothing dishoenst in what I've posted. However, what has been shown is that conservatives are really for BIG GOVERNMENT.
    How ironic, that statement in itself, is dishonest.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How ironic, that statement in itself, is dishonest.
    Nope, it's factual. Sorry you hate the truth. Most conservatives do.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
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    This 'viability' thing just doesn't stand because a baby, even after its born, is not completely 'viable' until many years later....
    The Court defined viability as a stage where the fetus's life "may be continued outside the womb by the natural or artificial life-supportive systems''.
    Last edited by minnie616; 03-12-13 at 12:45 PM. Reason: typo
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ....And it is illegal to carry out an abortion after the baby is 'viable' or BIG GOVERNMENT will step in and she will be FORCED to carry the baby to term..
    No it not illegal to carry out an abortion after the fetus is viable.

    Abortions after the limit of viability are very rare.
    Only .08 percent of all abortions in this country take place after 24 weeks gestation ( which is the limit of viability).

    They are the extreme cases. The cases where the woman's life is at risk or where irreparable damage to a major bodily function would take place if the pregnancy were allowed to continue, where the fetus died a natural death in the womb and it was not expelled ( yes, the removal of dead fetus and the fetal material is called an abortion and would be counted in .08 percent if it was removed after the 24 week gestation mark) the cases where the fetus would be stillborn or is so malformed it will only live a few minutes or hours.

    There were 323 legal abortions in Kansas in 2008 that took place after 22 weeks gestation.
    191 of those of fetuses were not viaible. They had died in the womb, would be stillborn or were so deformed they would only live a few hours or minutes.
    131 of those abortions were because irreparable damage to a major bodily function would take place if the pregnancy were allowed to continue. Those cases were extreme cases.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The Court defined viability as a stage where the fetus's life "ay be continued outside the womb by the natural or artificial life-supportive systems''.
    Viability is ridiculous as a standard for when to consider a life human...A short time ago viability was at 30 weeks, today it is 23 to 24 weeks, with some cases documented as early as 21 weeks. As medical science gets better, viability only speaks to our ability to SAVE the LIFE, NOT to judge if it IS a life.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The Court defined viability as a stage where the fetus's life "may be continued outside the womb by the natural or artificial life-supportive systems''.
    Sometimes the State is wrong and we have to think for ourselves. We should not take everything the State claims as being right.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Sometimes the State is wrong and we have to think for ourselves. We should not take everything the State claims as being right.
    Yet until the 13th amendment slavery was totally condoned by the state....I guess they were right then too.....
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

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    No it not illegal to carry out an abortion after the fetus is viable.
    Did you ever hear a mother refer to her baby as a 'fetus'? Certainly you can call it a fetus, a gathering of cells, a blob of mush, or whatever you chose. But it is still a living human. being

    Abortions after the limit of viability are very rare.
    "Very rare" isn't never, and those who do perform late term abortions have been hailed as heroes by the pro abortion people.
    Only .08 percent of all abortions in this country take place after 24 weeks gestation ( which is the limit of viability).
    Do you have a link to that?

    They are the extreme cases. The cases where the woman's life is at risk or where irreparable damage to a major bodily function would take place if the pregnancy were allowed to continue, where the fetus died a natural death in the womb and it was not expelled ( yes, the removal of dead fetus and the fetal material is called an abortion and would be counted in .08 percent if it was removed after the 24 week gestation mark) the cases where the fetus would be stillborn or is so malformed it will only live a few minutes or hours.
    I would certainly not protest if an abortion took place under the conditions you've described.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yet until the 13th amendment slavery was totally condoned by the state....I guess they were right then too.....
    Quite right. In fact there are Nations/States all over the world, and I doubt that any of them are always right.

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