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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact a baby becomes a potential person at the moment of conception.
    Not according to the SC they set viability as the time a fetus becomes a " potential person".
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not according to the SC they set viability as the time a fetus becomes a " potential person".
    Well sometimes we just have to overlook what lawyers, politicians and judges say and simply look at common sense.

    I doubt many judges would claim that a 'potential person' is not there at the moment of conception. Would you?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well sometimes we just have to overlook what lawyers, politicians and judges say and simply look at common sense.

    I doubt many judges would claim that a 'potential person' is not there at the moment of conception. Would you?
    I agree with the SC and think they were very wise to set viability as the time when states can take a compelling interest.
    Until a fetus reaches viaibilty it can not live apart from the woman. It depends on her body and only lives if she lives. If she dies it dies, therefore I do not feel it it a seperate eniity with its own potential life until viability...it is not a potential person until it can survive outside her womb. before viability it is still a part of her life and will not be a person until it is born. Once the fetus becomes viable it can survive outside the womb even if the woman dies. If the woman dies and the viable fetus is removed immediately it has a good chance of surviving with or without
    Medical help and a care giver who can fed it , keep it warm etc.
    Last edited by minnie616; 03-11-13 at 09:58 PM. Reason: Typos
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Just the reverse. Viability is a fact, yes, and then we move into morals.
    Neither matter. It's legal, viability and morals are meaningless in this discussion. As long as it is legal it is right and just.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    I doubt many judges would claim that a 'potential person' is not there at the moment of conception. Would you?
    Well when a "potential person" is given a ssn and granted citizenship you let us know ok? Until then it will be the mothers right to choose.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaLiberal View Post
    Neither matter. It's legal, viability and morals are meaningless in this discussion. As long as it is legal it is right and just.
    Jim Crow laws were right and just before they were overturned? On what grounds could they have been overturned if they were "right and just"? Your logic seems to be a paradox.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Jim Crow laws were right and just before they were overturned? On what grounds could they have been overturned if they were "right and just"? Your logic seems to be a paradox.
    Right and just are subjective terms and are deemed by whatever society dictates them to be. What was right and just then is not right and just now. Can abortion eventually be that way? Possibly but I don't see a full overturn of rights for women to determine what they want done with their body while pregnant.

    The problem is the right wants to force the women through 9 months of physical and mental changes and use the government to do it. Conservatives will never be for small government as long as they keep wanting government to get involved with drugs, abortion, and SSM.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I agree with the SC and think they were very wise to set viability as the time when states can take a compelling interest.
    Until a fetus reaches viaibilty it can not live apart from the woman. It depends on her body and only lives if she lives. If she dies it dies, therefore I do not feel it it a seperate eniity with its own potential life until viability...it is not a potential person until it can survive outside her womb. before viability it is still a part of her life and will not be a person until it is born. Once the fetus becomes viable it can survive outside the womb even if the woman dies. If the woman dies and the viable fetus is removed immediately it has a good chance of surviving with or without
    Medical help and a care giver who can fed it , keep it warm etc.
    I think we've both made our positions clear, Minnie616, and though we may disagree I respect the way you've presented your arguments. A lot of this is based on feelings and thus it will probably never be resolved. Cheers.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well when a "potential person" is given a ssn and granted citizenship you let us know ok? Until then it will be the mothers right to choose.
    A 'potential' person cannot gain citizenship. You appear befuddled by the term.

    Here ya go.

    po·ten·tial (p-tnshl)
    adj.
    1. Capable of being but not yet in existence; latent: a potential problem.
    2. Having possibility, capability, or power.
    3. Grammar Of, relating to, or being a verbal construction with auxiliaries such as may or can; for example, it may snow.
    n.
    1. The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being.
    2. Something possessing the capacity for growth or development.
    3. Grammar A potential verb form.
    4. Physics The work required to move a unit of positive charge, a magnetic pole, or an amount of mass from a reference point to a designated point in a static electric, magnetic, or gravitational field; potential energy.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaLiberal View Post
    Neither matter. It's legal, viability and morals are meaningless in this discussion. As long as it is legal it is right and just.
    So laws against abortion were right and just? Slavery was just? Murdering Gays is just?

    Why are Libs such sloppy thinkers? Or is that a requirement?

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