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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The brain stem of a fetus does not even begin to function minimally until 7 weeks gestation and there is no consciousness until after 24 week gestation mark which is the limit of viability.

    Only .08 percent of all abortions that place in the US take place at of after the 24 week mark.
    These are the extreme cases. The cases where the woman's life is at risk or irreparable damage to major bodily function will take place if the pregnancy were allowed to continue, where the fetus died a natural death in the womb and was not expelled
    ( yes, the removal of a dead fetus or fetal material is still called an abortion and would be included in the .08 stats if the removal took place at or after the 24 week gestation mark ), when the fetus will be stillborn or when the fetus is so malformed it will only live a few minutes or hours.
    Are you saying consciousness is required for something to be a being?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Are you saying consciousness is required for something to be a being?
    I was relaying what I found out about the brain of the fetus and its activity.
    Draw your own conclusion.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I was relaying what I found out about the brain of the fetus and its activity.
    Draw your own conclusion.
    Define life for us.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    1. How is that reported in the US Census?

    2. Do zefs count as a person in state and federal income tax deductions?
    Do you need to be included in the US Census before you are a human being??? If you have a copy of this law could you submit a link?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No. a fetus, zygote or embryo...not classified as human until it is separated voluntarily from the womb.
    It is still a human being. Have you actually thought about the term?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Neither of your points apply to illegal immigrants, are they not humans? I didn't realize the term "alien" was literal.
    Some suggest that these immigrants aren't human beings because they're not in the US Census. That makes for much fewer human beings in this world.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    nope

    There are many things that live that are not beings
    If it is alive it is BEING!!

    But of course we are discussing human beings, humans who are alive.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    That's a tough one. On one hand it is not fully developed, but is the lack of consciousness any different than someone in a comma? I'll have to ponder that for a while.
    Some coma patients do have some brain activity.
    Whereas the patients we refer to as brain dead have no brain activity even though most of them had consciousness in the past.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you need to be included in the US Census before you are a human being??? If you have a copy of this law could you submit a link?
    What? LOL! Grant, that's the point. Zefs are not counted.










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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Some coma patients do have some brain activity.
    Whereas the patients we refer to as brain dead have no brain activity even though most of them had consciousness in the past.
    Is brain activity the threshold of when babies might now be aborted? It seems the goal posts keep getting moved.

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