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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    When? Where?

    You mean like when they said this:

    In 1973, Harry Blackmun wrote the court opinion for Roe v. Wade, saying "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate."
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    All this, together with our observation, supra, that throughout the major portion of the 19th century prevailing legal abortion practices were far freer than they are today, persuades us that the word "person," as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn
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    In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I don't think I follow. Would there be a state border patrol checking all leaving vehicles for women headed to an abortion clinic? The bill bans doctors from performing the abortion, not women from getting one.
    The end result is still the same - if you ban a doctor from performing an abortion, you are still stopping women from getting an abortion thus the only remaining scenario is that women either seek illegal help or travel across state borders for an abortion.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Because only an idiot would not realize she was pregnant in 3 months
    It really is not 3 months from conception since gestation is counted from the first day of the last period ...which makes it about 10 weeks from conception. If a woman has irregular periods due to say PCOS or if she is going through menopause she may not think anything of missing a period or having a very light period which sometimes happens at implantation. So once the second period is missed she is already 10 weeks gestation. So she has less than 2 weeks to make two appointments one for the consult and one for the actual abortion, make travel arrangements , perhaps find someone to watch the children she may already have at home, and get the money to pay for the abortion. Arkansas like neighboring Mississippi only has one abortion clinic so she may have travel hundreds of miles to get her abortion.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com


    I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably end up going to the SCOTUS.
    Every Live Saved Is A Life Worth Saving. Good for Arkansas.

    Sadly, while this is in line with Roe v Wade, it could be circumvented by Doe v Bolton.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Of course they can have standards like all medical facilities. My argument is against them making dates of when it can or cannot happen...saying whether or not it can happen...that isn't something for a bureaucrat to decide.
    Agreed. If a parent wants to abort their child at any age up to 18, then they should be able to. Sometimes parents take a long time to recognize their mistakes and they should be able to undo them legally.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Agreed. If a parent wants to abort their child at any age up to 18, then they should be able to. Sometimes parents take a long time to recognize their mistakes and they should be able to undo them legally.
    Are you trying to be funny?

    As you most likely know abortions can not take place after birth.
    And abortion means a fetus is expelled. Some abortions such as a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion happens naturally when a fetus has died in womb from natural causes. Some times a woman has what is called a missed abortion when the fetus has died in womb but it was not expelled naturally. In cases like those the woman needs a therapeutic abortion to remove the dead fetal material and prevent an infection.

    Sometimes if a woman chooses not to continue a pregnancy she might opt for an induced abortion.

    As you see now ...not all abortions are elective some are spontaneous , others are medically needed and some are induced.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
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    and this
    Fair enough. I'll concede that the current legal definition per the SCOTUS excludes the unborn. However I disagree with that and I am hopeful that this bill will bring it back to the court.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    We should mak abortion mandatory in DC.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    The end result is still the same - if you ban a doctor from performing an abortion, you are still stopping women from getting an abortion thus the only remaining scenario is that women either seek illegal help or travel across state borders for an abortion.
    Or, you know, don't kill your kid in cold blood. Being a decent human being instead of a scumbag is always a valid scenario.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    This simply means lots of women travelling to the next state for an abortion or worse still - back room abortions if they are not allowed to travel.
    I agree this will result in women traveling to have abortions. Some people without morals will stop at nothing to fulfill their selfish needs. Including killing their unborn children.
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