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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, a fetus. It's not human until it voluntarily separates itself from the womb.
    Really, now . . .

    There are a hell of a lot of people who came into the world through C-section and induced labor who would be very interested to know that they're not human.

    But hey, if YOU say so . . .
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the USSC court has translated it into ----->property.
    Ohhh, I see!!

    Suddenly SCOTUS does have the power to "translate" the constitution.

    So then I guess the decision by SCOTUS (in Roe v Wade) that the word "person" does not include the unborn is one you recognize as legitimate.


    and you argument is wrong, because i have NOT stated the unborn is a citizen.

    in fact i have argued THE case on YOUR side, but you never saw it, because your blind, -------->anything i say...is wrong because of a predisposed thoughts.

    i stated i am NOT on the side of abortion, to have them, that it is my personal opinion, .......but as a libertarian, a person, a human being has a right to do with his body, property as he wills.

    i argued that your body is YOUR property, meaning you have a right to do with it as you will and that means all property, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others, this even means taking drugs.

    as to the rant, i was not on my usual iMAC, early this morning and instead working off a small PC at another location, and after i saw my typing it was in large caps, and i was not going to retype it all over again.

    as a libertarian, i do not believe in everything people do,........... however i recognize their RIGHT to do things anyway i believe to be wrong...............something you do not, when its comes to other matters of rights.......IE property.
    So you do believe that abortion is lawful, not murder and that the govt has no power to ban it under the constitution. I see that we're making progress.

    Now if you could only point out where SCOTUS has said that "the pursuit of happiness" translates into "property", we might be able to finalize the demolition of your claims.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then what is the constitution for then?......it creates the federal government, defines their duties, and protects people's natural rights,........which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    life liberty and property are defined in the BOR, and due process of law protects those-------> named rights.
    Now you are contradicting yourself. You said that the govt has only those powers that the constitution has authorized.

    Now, you're saying that the govt has the power to protect peoples right to life, even though you haven't shown where the constitution grants such a power.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i was talking about citizens, not about the unborn......and i have only used the word fetus 1 time, and that was referencing someone.
    If you're not talking about the unborn or abortion, then your posts are off-topic. Attempts to derail a thread are against the rules and could result in an infraction.

    I suggest you either talk about the issue at hand, or get ready to be infracted
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Ohhh, I see!!

    Suddenly SCOTUS does have the power to "translate" the constitution.

    So then I guess the decision by SCOTUS (in Roe v Wade) that the word "person" does not include the unborn is one you recognize as legitimate.
    what do you think pursuit is happiness is........i feel good today?

    where have i stated abortion is illegal, should be stopped?

    i have argued from the beginning, that you own you,. you are your property to use you body as you wish, as long as it does not infringe on others.......this also translates to .........material goods also.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you do believe that abortion is lawful, not murder and that the govt has no power to ban it under the constitution. I see that we're making progress.

    Now if you could only point out where SCOTUS has said that "the pursuit of happiness" translates into "property", we might be able to finalize the demolition of your claims.
    abortion is the law of the land, i don't like it, " but there it is"......and i have always believed that, as a libertarian........and until the hearts and minds of people change, abortion will be with us.

    because i have listened the people of USSC court, and other constitutional judges speak on the subject, and they equate it to that.

    from the DOI.........life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    from the 5th .........life, liberty and property.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you're not talking about the unborn or abortion, then your posts are off-topic. Attempts to derail a thread are against the rules and could result in an infraction.

    I suggest you either talk about the issue at hand, or get ready to be infracted

    where have i (stated) the (unborn) have a right?

    where have i stated abortion is illegal?

    where have i stated, government can ban it?

    you will not find any such statements by me here.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    where have i stated abortion is illegal, should be stopped?
    abortion is the law of the land, i don't like it, " but there it is"......and i have always believed that, as a libertarian........and until the hearts and minds of people change, abortion will be with us.
    What you like is of no import.

    Let me know when you have something to say that is relevant to the topic
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What you like is of no import.

    Let me know when you have something to say that is relevant to the topic
    cat got your tongue now?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaLiberal View Post
    Anything with a brain is a being.
    The brain stem of a fetus does not even begin to function minimally until 7 weeks gestation and there is no consciousness until after 24 week gestation mark which is the limit of viability.

    Only .08 percent of all abortions that place in the US take place at of after the 24 week mark.
    These are the extreme cases. The cases where the woman's life is at risk or irreparable damage to major bodily function will take place if the pregnancy were allowed to continue, where the fetus died a natural death in the womb and was not expelled
    ( yes, the removal of a dead fetus or fetal material is still called an abortion and would be included in the .08 stats if the removal took place at or after the 24 week gestation mark ), when the fetus will be stillborn or when the fetus is so malformed it will only live a few minutes or hours.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    (play on words here) so federal law, supersedes the 5th amendment, which means i am not secure in my property, because government can pass a federal law, which controls all i own-----> including my body?

    so government is the great decider of rights, instead of its job of securing rights.
    In theory I totally agree. The first 10 amendments (Bill of rights) are secured from our creator. However, we are far down the rabbit hole as far as granting government the power of control over our rights. I don't think that is right, but at the same time I also have a tremendous belief that the most innocent, and defenseless among us (the unborn child), is a human being from conception, and deserves our protection.
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