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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Again, the rights for human life is for the woman in the pregnancy equation. SHE has houses, papers, and effects
    are you making the case that a person should be secure in all things, life and --------------------->property?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, Bonz.

    Are you referring to the "multiply and be fruitful" thing? How do other countries handle abortion?
    I lived with some people from Thailand and they seemed to view it like getting a boil lanced..................

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you making the case that a person should be secure in all things, life and --------------------->property?
    A human should. Not a fetus, zygote nor embryo because until they become ejected from the womb, they are not considered human. A human being sustains their own life and can actively pursue life and property. A fetus cannot.

    Are you trying to make an argument that a fetus inside the womb of a woman, or a zygote or embryo, has the same rights as a woman does?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I lived with some people from Thailand and they seemed to view it like getting a boil lanced..................


    Or maybe it was more as though they were thinking of the lives involved if the pregnancy came to a birth?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Or maybe it was more as though they were thinking of the lives involved if the pregnancy came to a birth?
    Well, exactly. I have a tendency to get theatrical.......................

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I lived with some people from Thailand and they seemed to view it like getting a boil lanced..................
    eeewww! I guess I can understand that thinking in an overcrowded environment, though. Better than taking a newborn out into the elements and leaving them to die like some countries do, I guess.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    eeewww! I guess I can understand that thinking in an overcrowded environment, though. Better than taking a newborn out into the elements and leaving them to die like some countries do, I guess.
    US being one with a great deal of dumpster babies found each year.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    US being one with a great deal of dumpster babies found each year.
    With abortions so easy to get, why do that? sad...

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    With abortions so easy to get, why do that? sad...
    Since 1980, abortions have been hard to get. Between insurance denials, Medicaid denials, etc. there are not around.

    More women turn to crack doctors and are dying in this nation. This blood in on the hands of those decrying the rights of women to a safe medical abortion.

    Pennsylvania Employees Fired In Wake Of Abortion Scandal : NPR

    Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett has announced major changes to two state departments that he says will improve clinics where abortions are performed.

    A grand jury report released last month detailed horrid conditions at a Philadelphia clinic, including the deaths of seven infants and at least two women. Corbett fired a half-dozen state employees who failed to investigate complaints against the clinic and its doctor.

    The clinic, inside a weathered brick building in West Philadelphia, is closed now. The blinds that cover the windows are askew. The Women's Medical Society primarily served poor African-American women and immigrants who thought they were getting cheap abortions.

    Horrid Conditions

    “ It's not enough to prosecute the wrongdoing. We have to change the culture. That starts here. It starts now.

    - Gov. Tom Corbett

    The grand jury report on the clinic and its operator, Dr. Kermit Gosnell, came out just when Corbett took office. It detailed filthy conditions: bloodstained furniture, dirty instruments and fetal remains scattered around the facility.

    Gosnell is charged with eight counts of murder, including seven babies and one woman who died on the table. According to the report, he delivered babies alive, then severed their spines.
    Under Roe V Wade, legitimate abortion clinics had the law they had to follow. No live birth would have been terminated. These are the results of the radical right wing religious cult that calls to end the rights of women and force them into desperate situations.

    Almost forget, since the murdering of doctors who perform abortions, the bombing of clinics, the availability of an abortion has decreased, as well.
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I lived with some people from Thailand and they seemed to view it like getting a boil lanced..................
    I rather doubt that story. The Thai people are just not that heartless.

    Legality of Abortion in Thailand | Thailand Law

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