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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If you think the SCOTUS is so damn great then go learn some Latin.

    You think those nuts sound so sophisticated when the talk their junk in Latin? Most of the time what they're saying in Latin translates into stupid **** like: "A man dropped a rock on my foot therefore I can drop a turtle on his head" and they use that nonsense as a formal analogy.

    We let massive idiots control this country.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of those laws define a fetus as a person, nor do they address the issue of abortion
    They define the act of killing an unborn person as homicide, obviously that was overridden, in the narrow case defined by the Roe v. Wade SCOTUS decision, in the case of an authorized abortion. Homicide is strictly the killing of a person, not relieving a potential mother of a burdensome tissue mass.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    They define the act of killing an unborn person as homicide, obviously that was overridden, in the narrow case defined by the Roe v. Wade SCOTUS decision, in the case of an authorized abortion. Homicide is strictly the killing of a person, not relieving a potential mother of a burdensome tissue mass.
    Homicide is the killing of another human, not the killing of a person

    http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article125.htm#p125.00

    Furthermore, the laws you cite may define the word person (as used in the law you cited) to include the unborn. However, that doesn't change the meaning of the word "person" as used in the constitution
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Homicide is the killing of another human, not the killing of a person

    Article 125 - Penal Law - Homicide, Abortion and Related Offenses

    Furthermore, the laws you cite may define the word person (as used in the law you cited) to include the unborn. However, that doesn't change the meaning of the word "person" as used in the constitution
    Very weak argument if you must resort to legal (dictionary?) hairsplitting over human vs. person.

    hu·man

    Adjective - Of, relating to, or characteristic of people or human beings.

    Noun - A human being, esp. a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.

    Synonyms - 1) adjective. humane 2) noun. man - person - human being - individual - soul - mortal

    ================================================== =============================

    per.son

    Noun
    1. A human being regarded as an individual.
    2. Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

    Synonyms man - individual - personage - character - figure
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Very weak argument if you must resort to legal (dictionary?) hairsplitting over human vs. person.

    hu·man

    Adjective - Of, relating to, or characteristic of people or human beings.

    Noun - A human being, esp. a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.

    Synonyms - 1) adjective. humane 2) noun. man - person - human being - individual - soul - mortal

    ================================================== =============================

    per.son

    Noun
    1. A human being regarded as an individual.
    2. Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

    Synonyms man - individual - personage - character - figure
    Not really hairsplitting because "person" (and variants of the word) is the word used in the constitution, not human

    However, the first point is not as important as the second (ie it doesn't matter how some state laws defines the word person. When it comes to the word as used in the constitution, it is SCOTUS who determines what it means)
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You have gotten answers to every question you asked, but you are unable to answer my one question:

    Where does the constitution say that the govt has the power to ban or regulate abortion?
    are you delusional?

    WHERE have i made such a statement?

    i have stated over and over to you, i have not stated any such thing.......yet you persist, as if you trying to prove a point, which cannot be proven.

    please, stop asking me a question, for a statement WHICH I HAVE NOT MADE.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No one owns you. You are the property of no one and no thing.
    you own yourself.....but i guess thats hard for you to understand.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you delusional?

    WHERE have i made such a statement?

    i have stated over and over to you, i have not stated any such thing.......yet you resist, as if you trying to prove a point, which cannot be proven.

    please, stop asking me a question, for a statement WHICH I HAVE NOT MADE.
    Again, I havent said that ever stated such thing. I asked you a question about something you have not stated - just as you have done dozens of times in this thread.

    And since you continue to ask questions about things no one has stated, I will continue to ask you questions about things that you never made any statements about

    Where does the constitution say that the govt has the power to ban or regulate abortion?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you own yourself.....but i guess thats hard for you to understand.
    No, it's just impossible for you to prove. All you can do is repeat your delusional beliefs
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Dude libertarians can't be pro-choice. That violates the basic principals of being a libertarian - the right to life - the right to individualism.

    As far as I'm concerned abortion should be treated as murder.

    Government shouldn't be legalizing or endorsing murder, however they are with death panels and abortion.
    well i am stating a fact their are some libertarians who are pro choice,...i cant really say more than that.

    unless, you can find a term, for a person believing in limited government, maximum freedom to do what with your body.

    if you have a name for it please, share it with me.

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