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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a liberal is a progressive.

    classical liberalism died in america after the civil war.

    progressives came into being about 1890, , and you see them with TR, AND W. WILSON.

    however the term progressive faded, and they took of the title of liberal.

    the founders were classical liberals, as are libertarians today.

    remember, that nothing always fits into one little neat box, i have heard of pro choice libertarians.....its a debate of .....right over your own body, and a right to life.
    Liberalism is the separation from authoritarianism, these modern day progressives are obviously authoritarian, with their attacks on guns, fast food, soda et al, and the way they want government to regulate everything in authoritarian fashion. Then of course you have people label libertarians "anarchists" for the simple fact we believe in limited government (Bill of Rights)...

    I agree with and am highly educated on everything else you posted.

    I'm still a classical liberal, so are a lot of people - they just don't know it.

    As far as the rise of the progressive, their plights and their pseudo-patriotic ideas - I wrote a 500+ page thesis on the topic.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Liberalism is the separation from authoritarianism, these modern day progressives are obviously authoritarian, with their attacks on guns, fast food, soda et al, and the way they want government to regulate everything in authoritarian fashion. Then of course you have people label libertarians "anarchists" for the simple fact we believe in limited government (Bill of Rights)...

    I agree with and am highly educated on everything else you posted.

    I'm still a classical liberal, so are a lot of people - they just don't know it.

    As far as the rise of the progressive, their plights and their pseudo-patriotic ideas - I wrote a 500+ page thesis on the topic.
    i dont share the idea of anarchists.

    anarchy is no government, no law at all, we have to have some government, as Madison says" if men were angels no government would be nessary".....but men are not angels.

    even the Greeks of the past say ..." without government there is no freedom"

    Definition of ANARCHY

    a : absence of government
    b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
    c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government<-------------------not possible

    a : absence or denial of any authority or established order
    b : absence of order : disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Also, there are plenty that call both murder. For example, the CA Penal Code calls both murder.
    Absolutely... All states have different codes, despite what a state calls "feticide" it's still treated as homicide. That's why the language used is irrelevant to me.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i dont share the idea of anarchists.

    anarchy is no government, no law at all, we have to have some government, as Madison says" if men were angels no government would be nessary".....but men are not angels.

    even the Greeks of the past say ..." without government there is no freedom"

    Definition of ANARCHY

    a : absence of government
    b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
    c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government<-------------------not possible

    a : absence or denial of any authority or established order
    b : absence of order : disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>
    I know all about anarchy - anarchy is impossible to achieve - it's impossible to exist. The simple reason is because there will always be a leader. Hell even these nutty anarchists have a leader when they go smashing up neighborhoods to protest stuff like G8. There is always someone yelling orders out of bullhorns.. Smashing stuff because someone told you to smash stuff is not anarchy it's stupidity, conformity and obedience.

    The term anarchist organization is an oxymoron yet I get this via google search:

    List of anarchist organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Liberalism is the separation from authoritarianism, these modern day progressives are obviously authoritarian, with their attacks on guns, fast food, soda et al, and the way they want government to regulate everything in authoritarian fashion. Then of course you have people label libertarians "anarchists" for the simple fact we believe in limited government (Bill of Rights)...

    I agree with and am highly educated on everything else you posted.

    I'm still a classical liberal, so are a lot of people - they just don't know it.

    As far as the rise of the progressive, their plights and their pseudo-patriotic ideas - I wrote a 500+ page thesis on the topic.
    Liberal is progressive. The lack of gun laws under Bush have created an escalation of deaths to children. This is simply unacceptable to the democratic Christians. As such, it is only right to return to the gun laws initiated by Reagan and continued through Clinton. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over (repealing gun laws under republicans and Bush) and expecting a different outcome (less deaths by military style guns and not including ALL guns sales in registration and background checks.).
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    ?..

    Now, attempting to claim a fetus is a body part because of the umbilical cord is loony... .


    I did not say a fetus is a body part I said the fetus is attached to the woman. I said a pre viable fetus cannot live apart from the woman and that it was not a separate entity until it is born.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Also, lets not forget an umbilical cord is not even a body part, nor is the placenta.
    Just HOW much do you NOT know about pregnancy and the human body?

    Because my God - I think you need to read some books.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Liberal is progressive. The lack of gun laws under Bush have created an escalation of deaths to children. This is simply unacceptable to the democratic Christians. As such, it is only right to return to the gun laws initiated by Reagan and continued through Clinton. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over (repealing gun laws under republicans and Bush) and expecting a different outcome (less deaths by military style guns and not including ALL guns sales in registration and background checks.).
    A liberal is not a progressive... Progressives are fascists. What are they progressing to and what do they want? a government that dictates outcome with authoritarian fascist rule..

    That's not liberalism. Liberalism is the exact opposite of that.

    Anyone who wants the central government to dictate outcomes via bans and regulations is NOT a liberal they are authoritarian fascists.

    As far as guns - I could care less if the slime of the earth gangsters cant behave. Maybe if drive by's are normal in your neighborhood you shouldn't live there? because you may a well be putting yourself in front of a gun. It's not responsible folks fault gangsters are killing people, nor is it their fault wacko's shoot up movie theaters for their 10 seconds of fame, infamy and the idea they will go down in history. This is a nation of 300,000,000 people and there are a lot of nuts and hard core gangsters out there who are delusional or don't value life at all.. The gun isn't the problem the psychos are.

    If you want my opinion, I think progressives and the progressive media uses these psycho nutters as cannon fodder and glorifies this murder **** to breed more - because they can't get enough of it.

    Also, if you think a gangster (who commit 99.9% of the homicides) gives two ****s about a gun ban you're mistaken. Those cats could care less. like they're just going to turn in their weapons - like I will just turn in my weapons.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Just HOW much do you NOT know about pregnancy and the human body?

    Because my God - I think you need to read some books.
    Are girls born with an umbilical cord and placenta in their bodies?

    Do you know physiology or do you just pretend that you do to boost your ego?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    A liberal is not a progressive... Progressives are fascists. What are they progressing to and what do they want? a government that dictates outcome with authoritarian fascist rule..

    That's not liberalism. Liberalism is the exact opposite of that.

    Anyone who wants the central government to dictate outcomes via bans and regulations is NOT a liberal they are authoritarian fascists.

    As far as guns - I could care less if the slime of the earth gangsters cant behave. Maybe if drive by's are normal in your neighborhood you shouldn't live there? because you may a well be putting yourself in front of a gun. It's not responsible folks fault gangsters are killing people, no is it their fault wacko's shoot up movie theaters for their 10 seconds of fame and the idea they will go down in history. This is a nation of 300,000,000 people and there are a lot of nuts and hard core gangsters out there who are delusional or don't value life at all.. The gun isn't the problem the psychos are.

    If you want my opinion, I think progressives and the progressive media uses these psycho nutters as cannon fodder and glorifies this murder **** to breed more - because they can't get enough of it.

    Also, if you think a gangster (who commit 99.9% of the homicides) gives two ****s about a gun ban you're mistaken. Those cats could care less. like they're just going to turn in their weapons - like I will just turn in my weapons.
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    As to the criminals in this nation, they legally buy their guns now at gun shows and on the internet where NO background check is currently required. If you think background checks won't hinder the supply of guns to criminals, then you've not studied the issue at all.

    BTW, next time let's agree on the definitions of the political spectrums of the two parties before we talk about them. Agreed?

    As you can see from the above, the progressives ARE like liberals and the fascists like the current right wing.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

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