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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

Grant said:
If you think life is meaningless, you should be speaking for yourself.
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thats what i thought nothing but another deflection since you were factually proven wrong, typical.

never said that "i" thought the life of the ZEF is meaningless

but it is meaningless as far as what an abortion is

you fail again

once again let me know if you need further educated on this topic. Ill be more than glad to help you
 
Here are some actual facts as it relates to elective abortion in the US today...

"Since the 1973 decision, approximately 1.3-1.4 million abortions have been performed annually in the United States."

"In spite of the introduction of newer, more effective, and more widely available contraceptive methods, more than half of the 6 million pregnancies occurring each year in the United States are considered unplanned by the women who are pregnant. Of these pregnancies, approximately half end in elective terminations."

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/252560-overview

I think this is regrettable.
 
Another fact....


[h=2]"Week 6: The neural tube closes[/h]
Fetal development four weeks after conception

Growth is rapid this week. Just four weeks after conception, the neural tube along your baby's back is closing and your baby's heart is pumping blood.
Basic facial features will begin to appear, including passageways that will make up the inner ear and arches that will contribute to the jaw. Your baby's body begins to take on a C-shaped curvature. Small buds will soon become arms and legs."

Fetal development: The first trimester - MayoClinic.com

Notice the Mayo Clinic doesn't call it a "ZEF" or other term meant to dehumanize what it is....A baby.


 
j-mac said:
Here are some actual facts as it relates to elective abortion in the US today...

"Since the 1973 decision, approximately 1.3-1.4 million abortions have been performed annually in the United States."

"In spite of the introduction of newer, more effective, and more widely available contraceptive methods, more than half of the 6 million pregnancies occurring each year in the United States are considered unplanned by the women who are pregnant. Of these pregnancies, approximately half end in elective terminations."

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/252560-overview

I think this is regrettable.
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It is regrettable also because social programs were devised with the idea that their would be children to replace those who were aging and dying in order to pay the taxes necessary for their maintenance. But by aborting 55 million American babies since R vs W began these 55 million fewer taxpayers jeopardize those programs.

This means importing people from other countries to work to pay those taxes, as happened in Europe and is now happening in the US. Of course this also leads to social unrest, increased debt, and so on. It's not a coincidence that this implosion is happening throughout all the democracies.
 
j-mac said:
Another fact....


[h=2]"Week 6: The neural tube closes[/h]
Fetal development four weeks after conception

Growth is rapid this week. Just four weeks after conception, the neural tube along your baby's back is closing and your baby's heart is pumping blood.
Basic facial features will begin to appear, including passageways that will make up the inner ear and arches that will contribute to the jaw. Your baby's body begins to take on a C-shaped curvature. Small buds will soon become arms and legs."

Fetal development: The first trimester - MayoClinic.com

Notice the Mayo Clinic doesn't call it a "ZEF" or other term meant to dehumanize what it is....A baby.
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ZEF is Nazi speak in its aim to, as you say, dehumanize. It may make them feel better when killing a baby.
 
DaLiberal said:
There shouldn't be consequences. Why should they have to worry? That's what is so great about abortion; it
eliminates an unnecessary consequence.
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THIS is a great example of why the corrupt ideology of Liberalism is a short lived insult on the phsyche of the easily manipulated and entertained.

The "CONSEQUENCE" was the killing of a innocent human life.
 
Grant said:
ZEF is Nazi speak in its aim to, as you say, dehumanize. It may make them feel better when killing a baby.
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LOL more dishonest biased rhetoric opinion that cant be supported by anything factual or logical LMAO
 
Pilot said:
How is it dishonest and biased?
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easy

ZEF is not NAZI speak LMAO
ZEF is not factually a term to dehumanize
ZEF is not used to make anybody feel better about "killing a baby" LMAO

the first is factually not true

the second AT BEST is a subjective OPINION that cant be supported by any facts

pretty easy :D
 
Grant said:
ZEF is Nazi speak in its aim to, as you say, dehumanize. It may make them feel better when killing a baby.
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No, ZEF is not a baby and a baby is not a ZEF. A baby is done with the gestation period which a ZEF is IN the gestation period, and will die if the life (the woman) dies.
 
Muddy Creek said:
No, ZEF is not a baby and a baby is not a ZEF. A baby is done with the gestation period which a ZEF is IN the gestation period, and will die if the life (the woman) dies.
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So expectant mothers refer to a ZEF when they're expecting a baby?

Maybe that's a term exclusive to leftist households.
 
Grant said:
So expectant mothers refer to a ZEF when they're expecting a baby?

Maybe that's a term exclusive to leftist households.
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No, a woman who is wanting the ZEF AFTER gestation refers to it as a baby and even finds out the sex as soon as possible sometimes. It doesn't MAKE a baby. IT's still a zygote, embryo or fetus, depending upon the stage of gestation.
 
Muddy Creek said:
No, a woman who is wanting the ZEF AFTER gestation refers to it as a baby and even finds out the sex as soon as possible sometimes. It doesn't MAKE a baby. IT's still a zygote, embryo or fetus, depending upon the stage of gestation.
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But everyone generally refers to this bit of life as a baby, right?
 
Grant said:
But everyone generally refers to this bit of life as a baby, right?
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It's not a life. Those who WANT the child may refer to their baby and have baby showers, but it's still more like a parasite feeding off the mother. If they mother is in a car wreck and dies, the baby would die. It is dependent on the LIFE of the mother.
 
Muddy Creek said:
It's not a life. Those who WANT the child may refer to their baby and have baby showers, but it's still more like a parasite feeding off the mother. If they mother is in a car wreck and dies, the baby would die. It is dependent on the LIFE of the mother.
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It's not a life?? Of course it is.

In fact you go on to say that it would die apart from its mother. How can it die if it is not a life??
 
Pilot said:
I'm confused. First you said


Then you said
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The "baby" term is used if the mother wants the ZEF to go through the Gestation period. WANTING the ZEF to become a baby does not make the ZEF a baby....it is a ZEF and dies if the mother is in a car wreck. I was only referring to the ZEF as a baby to emphasize the fact that a woman wanting a baby does not have it in the gestation period, as if she dies, the ZEF dies and does not go to birth to become a baby outside the womb.
 
Grant said:
It's not a life?? Of course it is.

In fact you go on to say that it would die apart from its mother. How can it die if it is not a life??
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No, it is dependent on the life of the mother. The life dies, the ZEF dies. It is a live, but not a life
 
Pilot said:
I'm confused. First you said


Then you said


So you are saying that it is a baby and it is alive.
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These are the illogical machinations these people must go through in order to justify their positions. It makes no sense at all.
 
Grant said:
It is alive but not living.

And you see no contradiction here?
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It is alive, but not a life. Nope. Do you see the contradiction in calling a zygote, embryo and fetus a baby? Or a life?
 
Muddy Creek said:
It is alive, but not a life. Nope. Do you see the contradiction in calling a zygote, embryo and fetus a baby? Or a life?
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We do not generally refer to babies in these terms. We call them babies.

But you don't feel comfortable calling them babies, or even alive, because that suggests something immoral is going on, the taking of a babies life.

So you use the terms zygote, embryo and fetus in order to downplay the fact that you are taking a life.

But call it what you will, it's still taking a life and it is terribly hard to justify such an act. It is hugely immoral, and some would say evil.
 
Grant said:
We do not generally refer to babies in these terms. We call them babies.

But you don't feel comfortable calling them babies, or even alive, because that suggests something immoral is going on, the taking of a babies life.

So you use the terms zygote, embryo and fetus in order to downplay the fact that you are taking a life.

But call it what you will, it's still taking a life and it is terribly hard to justify such an act. It is hugely immoral, and some would say evil.
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No, there's nothing immoral in an abortion. Even with the bible.

God's Not Pro-Life

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?

Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.

Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?
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God was for abortion and did not obviously consider it life. Christ never spoke out against it. If it were immoral, Christ would have labeled it so.
 
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