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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

Grant said:
Are you hoping the name change gives you some credibility?

You're still a loser.
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i have credibility already :shrug:

as a matter of fact, a poster like yourself posting what you just did, GIVES me credibility LMAO

and its not like im hiding, when you change a name it goes everywhere LMAO and notice my SIG it says who my former names were

i did it to donate money to the site, just like i did before

but please feel free to lash out in anger of being proved wrong and being exposed.

If you would like to now try and be civil and post on topic i can further educate you on abortion since your posts show you are uneducated about this particular subject

let me know
 
AGENT J said:
i have credibility already :shrug:

as a matter of fact, a poster like yourself posting what you just did, GIVES me credibility LMAO

and its not like im hiding, when you change a name it goes everywhere LMAO and notice my SIG it says who my former names were

i did it to donate money to the site, just like i did before

but please feel free to lash out in anger of being proved wrong and being exposed.

If you would like to now try and be civil and post on topic i can further educate you on abortion since your posts show you are uneducated about this particular subject

let me know
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I didn't 'lash out in anger'. How could I be angry at you?
 
Moderator's Warning:
There's a topic here and it's not each other. Let's get back on topic please everyone.
 
minnie616 said:
Yes , when a fetus dies a natural death in the womb and it is not expelled a doctor performs an abortion to remove the dead fetus and the fetal material.

The medical term abortion means the fetal material is removed from the womb.

When a woman miscarries it is called a spontaneous abortion.

If the fetus dies and is not expelled it is called a missed abortion.

When the doctor removes the dead fetus and fetal material it is called a therapeutic abortion.

When a doctor performs an abortion to save the life or reparable harm to a major bodily function of a woman it is also called a
therapeutic abortion.

All abortions that doctors perform including therapeutic abortions are included in abortion stats.
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And what are the percentages of abortions preformed that are due to any of the factors you just listed here? My guess is less than 5%... So to say that these are the reason we must keep abortion available on demand is ridiculous. It is a disingenuous method to argue like this and you know it. No one is arguing that medically necessary procedures be outlawed, it is about the elective killing of an otherwise healthy child growing in the womb.
 
j-mac said:
And what are the percentages of abortions preformed that are due to any of the factors you just listed here? My guess is less than 5%... So to say that these are the reason we must keep abortion available on demand is ridiculous. It is a disingenuous method to argue like this and you know it. No one is arguing that medically necessary procedures be outlawed, it is about the elective killing of an otherwise healthy child growing in the womb.
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FAIL
that wasnt the argument, please go back and read

she was further proving that statement, from that bogus website, wrong. Pay attention.

SO your post is whats disingenuous.
 
j-mac said:
And what are the percentages of abortions preformed that are due to any of the factors you just listed here? My guess is less than 5%... So to say that these are the reason we must keep abortion available on demand is ridiculous. It is a disingenuous method to argue like this and you know it. No one is arguing that medically necessary procedures be outlawed, it is about the elective killing of an otherwise healthy child growing in the womb.
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No one is saying medically necessary procedures be outlawed?
Tell that to Savita Halappanavar's husband and family.
She died from septic poisioning and may have been saved if doctors had aborted the dying fetus right away but because of Ireland's abortion bann and the fact theycould still hear a fetal heartbeat even though they knew for a fact the fetus was dying and they would never be able to save it they refused to give her an abortion.


I don't know the precentages but I do know when I was about 20 weeks gestation and went into the ER with early labor hoping the doctors could stop my labor so I might be able to continue the pregnancy and hopefully give birth to a healthy baby..I was told my pregnancy test came back negitive but the doctor who was covering for my doctor did not want to come in that day so they shot me full of meds to stop the labor and he would be in the next day to preform the abortion.

I only needed a DC ( dusting and cleaning) the next day beause when I transfrered from the gurrney to bed the very malformed fetus was expelled and I accidently saw how deformed it was. My doctor told me that fetus never would been viaible even if I had carried it longer.
 
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minnie616 said:
No one is saying medically necessary procedures be outlawed?
Tell that to Savita Halappanavar's husband and family.
She died from septic poisioning and may have been saved if doctors had aborted the dying fetus right away but because of Ireland's abortion bann and the fact theycould still hear a fetal heartbeat even though they knew for a fact the fetus was dying and they would never be able to save it they refused to give her an abortion.


I don't know the precentages but I do know when I was about 20 weeks gestation and went into the ER with early labor hoping the doctors could stop my labor so I might be able to continue the pregnancy and hopefully give birth to a healthy baby..I was told my pregnancy test came back negitive but the doctor who was covering for my doctor did not want to come in that day so they shot me full of meds to stop the labor and he would be in the next day to preform the abortion.

I only needed a DC ( dusting and cleaning) the next day beause when I transfrered from the gurrney to bed the very malformed fetus was expelled and I accidently saw how deformed it was. My doctor told me that fetus never would been viaible even if I had carried it longer.
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Wow, I am sorry to hear you went through that. But, it is my understanding from reading the postings, that the argument being made is that aborted babies are already dead. That is by no means the case in the majority of abortions performed in this country. That's what I am saying is the false argument here.
 
j-mac said:
Wow, I am sorry to hear you went through that. But, it is my understanding from reading the postings, that the argument being made is that aborted babies are already dead. That is by no means the case in the majority of abortions performed in this country. That's what I am saying is the false argument here.
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Thank you for your kind words about my loss.
I was not making an argument that all or most abortions are done because the fetus is dead, I was trying to let some of our posters know that when a dead fetus that died naturally in the womb needs to be removed by a doctor because it was not expelled on its own the medical term is (therapeutic )abortion .

That is why I went to the medical online dictionary and posted the different medical abortion terms and their meanings.
 
minnie616 said:
Thank you for your kind words about my loss.
I was not making an argument that all or most abortions are done because the fetus is dead, I was trying to let some of our posters know that when a dead fetus that died naturally in the womb needs to be removed by a doctor because it was not expelled on its own the medical term is (therapeutic )abortion .

That is why I went to the medical online dictionary and posted the different medical abortion terms and their meanings.
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Understood. But I don't think that any legislation returning abortion to the state's would necessarily affect that part of it. What I and most people have the problem with is the contraceptive/elective part of it...
 
j-mac said:
Wow, I am sorry to hear you went through that. But, it is my understanding from reading the postings, that the argument being made is that aborted babies are already dead. That is by no means the case in the majority of abortions performed in this country. That's what I am saying is the false argument here.
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nobody made the argument, nobody
 
minnie616 said:
Thank you for your kind words about my loss.
I was not making an argument that all or most abortions are done because the fetus is dead, I was trying to let some of our posters know that when a dead fetus that died naturally in the womb needs to be removed by a doctor because it was not expelled on its own the medical term is (therapeutic )abortion .

That is why I went to the medical online dictionary and posted the different medical abortion terms and their meanings.
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i think its amazing that for a topic so emotional for some people and how adamant they get about it that they are so uneducated about it.
 
AGENT J said:
nobody made the argument, nobody
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As a matter of fact, you made that argument. Back when you chimed in about abortions being preformed on babies that are already dead...Now tell me, what is the percentage of babies aborted that are already dead, and not expelled in relation to all abortions performed?
 
j-mac said:
As a matter of fact, you made that argument. Back when you chimed in about abortions being preformed on babies that are already dead...Now tell me, what is the percentage of babies aborted that are already dead, and not expelled in relation to all abortions performed?
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nope never did one single time, this is a lie.

i pointed out the fact that abortion has nothing to do with death, there was no argument on how much or why it should be allowed based on that LMAO thats something you made up. If you disagree by all means please simply qoute me saying otherwise, i cant wait :D

LMAO
 
AGENT J said:
nope never did one single time, this is a lie.
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Not at all. It's all there in black and white. Why don't you go on back and re read what you wrote, and when, then maybe you'll remember...After all it was waaaaaay back two whole pages ago after all....Until then, I am not playing your game.

Now I asked you a question, and you totally ignored it...Why?
 
j-mac said:
Not at all. It's all there in black and white. Why don't you go on back and re read what you wrote, and when, then maybe you'll remember...After all it was waaaaaay back two whole pages ago after all....Until then, I am not playing your game.

Now I asked you a question, and you totally ignored it...Why?
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nope it factually never happened, i never made the argument you claimed, you are lying and its why you wont quote me LMAO :laughatt:

I ignored your question because its irrelevant, why does the amount of abortions preformed on an already dead ZEF matter to anything being disgust? Id LOVE to know.

and my answer is i dont know so you cant claim i dodged it.

BUT now i have two questions for you, where did i make the argument you claim, please qoute it, I cant wait for this :
next explain why the percentage matter to the debate going on? and i remind you the debate is what an abortion really is and how that website you posted was complete BS and lies.

:popcorn2:
 
Grant said:
Yes, lmao indeed!
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i know sometimes facts are hard to accept for posters that post with biased, dishonesty and or are uneducated about this topic but its a fact none the less.
Every time anybody doubts this fact they just prove how biased, dishonest or uneducated they are about this topic.

and as always if you disagree with this fact i would LOVE for you to factually prove otherwise, please do so in your next post, cant wait to read it! :)
 
AGENT J said:
i know sometimes facts are hard to accept for posters that post with biased, dishonesty and or are uneducated about this topic but its a fact none the less.
Every time anybody doubts this fact they just prove how biased, dishonest or uneducated they are about this topic.

and as always if you disagree with this fact i would LOVE for you to factually prove otherwise, please do so in your next post, cant wait to read it! :)
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a·bor·tion
[uh-bawr-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.
2.
any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, especially during the first six months.
 
Grant said:
a·bor·tion
[uh-bawr-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.
2.
any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, especially during the first six months.
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thankl you for supporting my statement with a definition that factually supports that the LIFE of the ZEF is meaningless

:laughat:

if the ZEF is dead, its still an abortion, if the ZEF lives the abortion was still a success :D

anything else you need educated on let me know
 
AGENT J said:
thankl you for supporting my statement with a definition that factually supports that the LIFE of the ZEF is meaningless

:laughat:

if the ZEF is dead, its still an abortion, if the ZEF lives the abortion was still a success :D

anything else you need educated on let me know
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If you think life is meaningless, you should be speaking for yourself.
 
Grant said:
a·bor·tion
[uh-bawr-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.
2.
any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, especially during the first six months.
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As I pointed out not all abortiona are voluntary.

There are spontaneous abortions( miscarriages)
Missed abortions( where the fetus died in the womb but was not expelled)
Septic abortions ( where the fetus has contracted a septic infection and will die from the septic infection)
Therapeutic abortions ( for a medical reason such as missed abortions, septic abortions, malformed or non viable fetus)

The reason doctors will often remove a non viaible or malformed fetus is because they are at high risk for contracting a septic infection and risking the life of the woman.
 
minnie616 said:
As I pointed out not all abortiona are voluntary.

There are spontaneous abortions( miscarriages)
Missed abortions( where the fetus died in the womb but was not expelled)
Septic abortions ( where the fetus has contracted a septic infection and will die from the septic infection)
Therapeutic abortions ( for a medical reason such as missed abortions, septic abortions, malformed or non viable fetus)

The reason doctors will often remove a non viaible or malformed fetus is because they are at high risk for contracting a septic infection and risking the life of the woman.
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Although this is true, it is not the majority of abortions performed in this country, respectfully, your own traumatic experience aside.
 
j-mac said:
Although this is true, it is not the majority of abortions performed in this country, respectfully, your own traumatic experience aside.
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I will agree if we are not counting spontaneous abortions ( miscarriages)

About 50 percent of zygotes fail to implant and are passed out of the body. About another 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies ((where the woman is aware she is pregnant ) end in miscarriage.
 
minnie616 said:
I will agree if we are not counting spontaneous abortions ( miscarriages)

About 50 percent of zygotes fail to implant and are passed out of the body. About another 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies ((where the woman is aware she is pregnant ) end in miscarriage.
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Natural occurrences I don't believe has a place in the abortion discussion. This would happen whether or not the states had the say as to legality.
 
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