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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    That only states those that cannot be denied the right.

    Which means citizens *do* have the right to vote, which they could not have if it did not exist

    Show me anywhere in the Constitution where you have an affirmative right to vote just because...
    Show me anywhere in the constitution where it distinguishes between affirmative and negative rights?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    RIght, it says nothing about citizens having the right to vote
    where does it say right, the founders state clearly.........voting is regulated, it is based on land ownership and do you pay taxes.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the 15th, says you cannot be denied the vote because of previous servitude..........meaning a slave can vote, even though he once was a slave...
    Which means that there is a right to vote.

    You said the opposite

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    where does it say right, the founders state clearly.........voting is regulated, it is based on land ownership and do you pay taxes.
    I already quoted where it say people have a right to vote

    And all rights are limited. And now, you're agreeing with me and not realizing how you're contradicting your own argument

    But since you're so hung up on what the constitution says, can you show me where the constitution gives govt the power to ban abortion?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It doesn't say anything about the govt controlling immigration or crime either


    Or........wait for it........ABORTION!!
    it gives government naturalization power, the power to make people citizens.....to naturalize, you have to immigrate from some where..this is a foregoing power LISTED IN THE CONSTITUTION...ALSO CALLED A FORGOING POWER.

    but it gives government NO authority over the people........only pirates, counter-fitters, and traitors.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I already quoted where it say people have a right to vote

    And all rights are limited. And now, you're agreeing with me and not realizing how you're contradicting your own argument

    But since you're so hung up on what the constitution says, can you show me where the constitution gives govt the power to ban abortion?
    nothing in the constitution, says government can limit rights.......where does it say government can limit, or control the people?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which means citizens *do* have the right to vote, which they could not have if it did not exist



    Show me anywhere in the constitution where it distinguishes between affirmative and negative rights?
    The only original reference for the ability to vote in federal elections was the same as used by each for State elected offices...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I already quoted where it say people have a right to vote

    And all rights are limited. And now, you're agreeing with me and not realizing how you're contradicting your own argument

    But since you're so hung up on what the constitution says, can you show me where the constitution gives govt the power to ban abortion?
    the 15th you quoted speaks of ------->slaves...but does not create a right. government cannot create a right, only a privilege, and voting is a privldge which can be taken away.. by the 14th amendment.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it gives government naturalization power, the power to make people citizens.....to naturalize, you have to immigrate from some where..this is a foregoing power LISTED IN THE CONSTITUTION...ALSO CALLED A FORGOING POWER.

    but it gives government NO authority over the people........only pirates, counter-fitters, and traitors.
    Naturalization is not immigration. It merely gives the govt the power to decide who can become a citizen. The constitution does not state the govt has the power to decide who can cross our borders.

    And one doesn't have to immigrate here in order to become a US citizen. The constitution says nothing about that.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    nothing in the constitution, says government can limit rights.......where does it say government can limit, or control the people?
    No one controls people, but the constitution does say that the govt can limit rights (ex the 15th amend)
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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