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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    please provide information in the constitution which states this.

    since the bill of rights limits government from violating rights, not restricting them
    roe v wade proves that the govt can limit a persons rights
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There are many questions which have no answer

    What is the sound of one hand clapping?

    Who controls the wind?
    then we will go to basis for you then, ...when get out of bed, who is in control of the movements i make to preform that action?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I don't think this will pass the SCOTUS litmus test. Most states allow abortion at least until 16 weeks, with some at 20. The only Federal limit was the partial birth abortion ban.

    Arkansas is trying to set a new precedent and I don't think it will hold. If the 12 week limit is permitted then it would cause legal battles in all the other states. Just because the legislature did it, doesn't mean they have any real justification for it. SCOTUS will demand evidence and logical arguments, and at that point it will likely fail.
    I agree with most of what you said only I do not believe this case will be heard by the Supreme Court. The lower courts should strike it down pretty quickly.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's not. Government decides issues of law. Nowhere, in any SCOTUS decision on abortion that I'm aware of, is morality even mentioned. Perhaps you could provide a quote?
    Umm, SCOTUS is a part of the govt

    Remember?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then we will go to basis for you then, ...when get out of bed, who is in control of the movements i make to preform that action?
    That is not an issue of control; it's an issue of choice

    Who controls the wind? You or the govt?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    roe v wade proves that the govt can limit a persons rights
    really, so roe v wade...sets government as the decider of what rights people have, and much much of a right they give you.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really, so roe v wade...sets government as the decider of what rights people have, and much much of a right they give you.
    wrong again
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That is not an issue of control

    Who controls the wind? You or the govt?
    nature controls the wind, i control me, i make the movements my body preforms i eat the foods i wish to consume.

    i make my personal decisions concerning my health, my finances, my family.......it i dont control those...... and then who does?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    wrong again
    your wrong, because you state the court case puts government in charge of limiting rights.....and there is no authority in the u.s. Constitution, that limits such rights.

    federal law does not override constitutional law.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    nature controls the wind, i control me, i make the movements my body preforms i eat the foods i wish to consume.

    i make my personal decisions concerning my health, my finances, my family.......it i dont control those...... and then who does?
    Nature is not a sentient entity. It controls nothing.

    You do not control your body. Your body is limited by it's abilities which were formed by the process called evolution.

    And yes, you make decisions. As I said, it's not an issue of control; It's an issue of choice
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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