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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No one controls you

    Who controls the wind? You or the govt?

    no one controls me.....then how do i function every day?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you actually do believe that the govt has rights?

    That's a laughably ignorant belief
    Perhaps the word "rights" is not the correct word to use. Power to make laws, and power to enforce them are viewed by the public as the reason we have elections, so perhaps the word "power" is more apt. And yes, government apparently seeks to become more and more powerful all the time, IMO.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    their is no power in the constitution, concerning personal life's of people.



    most of government duties are external.
    Both statements are meaningless
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which only proves that there's nothing immoral about the law allowing abortion.
    Only to you, and that's obviously not a high bar to clear. It's up to each individual to decide morality.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I don't think this will pass the SCOTUS litmus test. Most states allow abortion at least until 16 weeks, with some at 20. The only Federal limit was the partial birth abortion ban.

    Arkansas is trying to set a new precedent and I don't think it will hold. If the 12 week limit is permitted then it would cause legal battles in all the other states. Just because the legislature did it, doesn't mean they have any real justification for it. SCOTUS will demand evidence and logical arguments, and at that point it will likely fail.
    I don't get the legal ramifications of the law: Are they saying abortions can't be performed after the 12 week limit in Arkansas or citizens of Arkansas can't legally have abortions after the 12 week limit ?................

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You're really reaching. Could you provide a Constitutional reference to support this?
    Are you arguing that the govt does not have the power to enforce laws?

    That's a pretty stupid idea
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Ah, but that power is restricted by the ennumerated rights of the individual.
    you seem to be forgetting the 9th amendment

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no one controls me.....then how do i function every day?
    It's a medical mystery and a wonder
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it's not
    So, Congress may enact laws that disregard the rights of the individual ennumerated in the Constitution? Wow, you've once again argued yourself into a corner.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I don't get the legal ramifications of the law: Are they saying abortions can't be performed after the 12 week limit in Arkansas or citizens of Arkansas can't legally have abortions after the 12 week limit ?................
    It limits providers, not patients. But the argument will still be the same. There is no legal justification to restrict providers.

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