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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Evidently, the government...
    then that would make us property of the state, and subjects of a central power,.......as the early Americans were subjects of the king.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you actually do believe that the govt has rights?

    That's a laughably ignorant belief
    How can an entity limit rights if it possesses none?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then that would make us property of the state, and subjects of a central power,.......as the early Americans were subjects of the king.
    It would, if it were true
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Exactly!
    Abortion is not murder.
    Abortion is the ending of a pregnancy and removal of the fetal material.
    In fact about 20 percent of all known pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortions also known as miscarriages.
    Murder is against the law.
    Abortions within the parameters of Roe vs Wade are legal and are not murders.
    I actually agree with that, but not how you pussyfoot over the converse side. It's not technically murder, but it IS killing. Abortion may not be murder, but it is legal killing (murder being illegal killing).

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    How can an entity limit rights if it possesses none?
    By exercising the powers that were delegated to it
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com

    I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably
    end up going to the SCOTUS.
    I don't think this will pass the SCOTUS litmus test. Most states allow abortion at least until 16 weeks, with some at 20. The only Federal limit was the partial birth abortion ban.

    Arkansas is trying to set a new precedent and I don't think it will hold. If the 12 week limit is permitted then it would cause legal battles in all the other states. Just because the legislature did it, doesn't mean they have any real justification for it. SCOTUS will demand evidence and logical arguments, and at that point it will likely fail.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I actually agree with that, but not how you pussyfoot over the converse side. It's not technically murder, but it IS killing. Abortion may not be murder, but it is legal killing (murder being illegal killing).
    We kill all the time

    There's nothing illegal or immoral about it
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    no, you dont own or control yourself

    i dont control myself!........then who does.............are you saying government controls us all, that Americans are only subjects for anything government wishes to have us do?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i dont control myself!........then who does.............are you saying government controls us all, that Americans are only subjects fpr anything government wishes to have us do?
    No one controls you
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Abortion infringes on the right to life. Agreeing that a woman's body is her property, a fetus' right to life may not take away a woman's use of her property. Therefore, if having a baby is going to kill or maim her, she has the right to an abortion. If it's just going to make her have to wear mom pants instead of skinny jeans, the fetus is really not confiscating nor destroying her property. There is no Constitutional guarantee of fashion excellence. A woman's desire to fashion excellence may not infringe on another human's right to life. Having an abortion to fit into skinny jeans is just as Unconstitutional as going to the mall with agun on Black Friday and shooting another shopper to get that dress on sale that you want before they can grab it.

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