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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, it's quite right that it was the opinion of the Supreme Court. As we know these opinions can change substantially over time, which is quite likely why the pro-abortionists don't want to revisit the issue.

    Why is there a law against feticide at all if it's nothing but a group of cells?
    Until SCOTUS decides otherwise, the unborn are not persons and have no right to life
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. States may not ban abortion. They can regulate it, but they can't ban it

    The laws concerning late term abortions allow late term abortions when the mothers life or health is in danger. Those laws are not bans
    Typical wiggle when you are proven wrong. All bans in law have exceptions.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But with the rapid increases in medical knowledge, if viability is the issue, then the State may have the right, with professional input, to put a time limit on when an abortion might take place.
    Only if approved by the Supreme Court. The anti-life persons take away the human factor in the case of an abortion, the female, and pretend she doesn't exist. That will be the final decision on abortion. The human rights of women.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Typical wiggle when you are proven wrong. All bans in law have exceptions.
    An example would be?
    Alex Carey:

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Typical wiggle when you are proven wrong. All bans in law have exceptions.
    There are always exceptions?

    can you identify the exception to murder?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But with the rapid increases in medical knowledge, if viability is the issue, then the State may have the right, with professional input, to put a time limit on when an abortion might take place.
    Unfortunately studies show that while survivability for babies born netween 24 and 25 weeks have improved, there has not been an improvement in the rate of survival for babies born less than 23 weeks into pregnancy. 9 out of 100 born less than 23 weeks old surviving and even then with severe disability is not a good reason to lower the abortion limit.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    I'm glad to see that Arkansas is trying to make progress on advancing human rights and correcting our time's worst atrocity.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    An example would be?
    Choose any law. Murder for instance, the exception would be in self defense or the defense of others. Drugs, certain drugs are banned at the state and federal level, but there are exceptions for religious ceremony and medical experimentation.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, we're not in jail because SCOTUS has made many decisions defining how the 1st amend can be applied
    Guess what? the SCOTUS didn't write the Bill of Rights.

    Also, if we need 9 Goddamn individuals to interpret something as simple as a Dr. Seuss book then this nation is doomed.

    "Ice is cold" do we need a panel to interpret that?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Choose any law. Murder for instance, the exception would be in self defense or the defense of others. Drugs, certain drugs are banned at the state and federal level, but there are exceptions for religious ceremony and medical experimentation.
    Wrong. Self defense is not an exception

    If you kill someone in self-defense, then it's not murder.

    Drugs are not banned. Illegal possession is banned. Possessing those drugs for certain purposes are not "illegal possession"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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