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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    A fetus is not a person
    That's your opinion. If that is indeed the case than you need to justify the federal law surrounding the Unborn victims of violence act then.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's your opinion.
    No, it's not just my opinion. It's the law.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it's not just my opinion. It's the law.
    I am sorry, that wasn't the entirety of the post now was it...Tell me how your opinion on the law here conflicts with the federal statute.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then why stop at six months? Does the woman's rights expire after six months? Why not seven or eight months? Is there an expiration limit on privacy?
    Because by viability they have a good chance of surviving outside the woman's womb with or without medical help.
    Also after 6 months there is a much higher risk for the womans life if she has an abortion.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am sorry, that wasn't the entirety of the post now was it...Tell me how your opinion on the law here conflicts with the federal statute.
    Again, the fact is that SCOTUS clearly stated that, under the law, a fetus is not a person
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "back room abortions" refer to abortions that are performed but aren't subjected to the normal regulations and inspections that other medical procedures are subject to because of laws which criminalixe abortion.

    I would also note that the original term was "back alley abortions" because women were often told to enter the doctors office through the back alley to avoid detection.

    And privacy is not the same as secrecy, though there is a lot of overlap.
    Are you aware that I already said that myself in post #149? I even linked to source material. I don't understand why you feel the need to copy pretty much word for word what I already said as though it's your original content, unless you're just trying to be a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Even when abortion was illegal, most abortions were performed by doctors in their office. What you meant to say was "back ally", not "back room", meaning the doctor would let the patient into the office through an ally exit so as not to be seen. It doesn't mean the abortion was performed in an ally.

    Back-ally abortion;

    5 Myths About “Back Alley” Abortions

    Myth #1. Illegal abortions were performed by unlicensed, unskilled hacks.


    Prior to legalization, 90 percent of illegal abortions were done by physicians. Most of the remainder were done by nurses, midwives or others with at least some medical training.

    The term “back alley” referred not to where abortions were performed, but to how women were instructed to enter the doctor’s office after hours, through the back alley, to avoid arousing neighbors’ suspicions.
    An illegal abortion may be called a "back-alley", "backstreet", or "back-yard" abortion.

    The wire coat hanger method was a popularly known illegal abortion procedure, although they were not the norm. In fact, Mary Calderone, former medical director of Planned Parenthood, said, in a 1960 printing of the American Journal of Public Health:

    "Abortion is no longer a dangerous procedure. This applies not just to therapeutic abortions as performed in hospitals but also to so-called illegal abortions as done by physician. In 1957 there were only 260 deaths in the whole country attributed to abortions of any kind, second, and even more important, the conference [on abortion sponsored by Planned Parenthood] estimated that 90 percent of all illegal abortions are presently being done by physicians. Whatever trouble arises usually arises from self-induced abortions, which comprise approximately 8 percent, or with the very small percentage that go to some kind of non-medical abortionist. Abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians."


    Unsafe abortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's your opinion. If that is indeed the case than you need to justify the federal law surrounding the Unborn victims of violence act then.
    More like the Surpreme Courts opinion.

    Unborn victims of violence refers to feticide which is an act against a fetus not an act against a person.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Are you aware that I already said that myself in post #149? I even linked to source material. I don't understand why you feel the need to copy pretty much word for word what I already said as though it's your original content, unless you're just trying to be a troll.
    No I wasn't aware of that

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am sorry, that wasn't the entirety of the post now was it...Tell me how your opinion on the law here conflicts with the federal statute.
    It does not confict as abortions are concidered legal and the wording to exempt legal abortions is in the feticide laws.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Again, the fact is that SCOTUS clearly stated that, under the law, a fetus is not a person
    Citation, and again, address the question of the Unborn Victims of Violence act, or I'll assume that you can't and are therefore talking out of an orifice other than the one generally meant for speaking.
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