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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Do Tea Partiers get mad when they see elected representatives spending their time and tax-payer funded salaries and administration costs to pass a law that will never hold up in court?

    Or when the U.S. House votes to repeal the ACA (Obamacare) more that 30 times. Think of all that waste, the hours wasted, the support staff time wasted, when they could have been doing something productive and not just for future political ads. Does this get the Tea Party conservatives upset when they think of all tax-payer $$ gone to waste?
    That sure came out of left field.

    So you are omniscient, and know how every vote and judgment will turnout before it happens? If you believe something is right, shouldn't you stand for it, regardless of the odds of winning?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    That sure came out of left field.

    So you are omniscient, and know how every vote and judgment will turnout before it happens? If you believe something is right, shouldn't you stand for it, regardless of the odds of winning?
    All I hear from the Tea Party is how much the Dems waste tax dollars on programs and spend, spend, spend. It costs money to run a state house or federal legislature. No one on the right has complained about the cost for 30 votes to repeal the ACA. A law upheld by SCOTUS. A law the republican speaker calls "the law of the land".

    This source calculates the cost of the house of representatives at 1.9 million a day in salaries and 1.7 million in allocations per day per member.

    A hollywood film crew can be calculated out to thousands per minute, millions per day, but at least they deliver (most times) an entertainment product for distribution and profit. What did we get for all the money spent on the 33 votes to repeal the ACA?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Does SCOTUS Make Laws?

    That is I guess a matter of opinion.
    It depends on whether a person agrees with their decision as to whether the Supreme Court is making law or enforcing the Constitution or Bill of Rights. If a person agrees, they are enforcing the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If not, they are treasonous renegades who hate the Constitution and are ego-manaics.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    All I hear from the Tea Party is how much the Dems waste tax dollars on programs and spend, spend, spend. It costs money to run a state house or federal legislature. No one on the right has complained about the cost for 30 votes to repeal the ACA. A law upheld by SCOTUS. A law the republican speaker calls "the law of the land".

    This source calculates the cost of the house of representatives at 1.9 million a day in salaries and 1.7 million in allocations per day per member.

    A hollywood film crew can be calculated out to thousands per minute, millions per day, but at least they deliver (most times) an entertainment product for distribution and profit. What did we get for all the money spent on the 33 votes to repeal the ACA?
    According to your own source the salaries come to $207,044 a day... Just a tad less than 1.9 million

    Further, this is just the cost of the House salaries and allocations divided by 366 days, it would be the same regardless of what they vote on.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    According to your own source the salaries come to $207,044 a day... Just a tad less than 1.9 million
    You are correct, that's 1.9 Millon per vote.

    Thank you for pointing that out.

    So, multiply 1.9Million x 33 votes to repeal the ACA and you get.... 62,700,000 Million wasted on votes to repeal the ACA. Showboating and political theater paid for by the American tax payer.

    Where's the outrage? Where's the Tea Party rally to toss the wasteful bums out??!!

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    You are correct, that's 1.9 Millon per vote.

    Thank you for pointing that out.

    So, multiply 1.9Million x 33 votes to repeal the ACA and you get.... 62,700,000 Million wasted on votes to repeal the ACA. Showboating and political theater paid for by the American tax payer.

    Where's the outrage? Where's the Tea Party rally to toss the wasteful bums out??!!
    You seem to be confused.

    That's just what the cost of the House is divided by the days in a year. They do more than take a single vote in a day.

    And do you even have the slightest idea of what an allocation is? Because I don't see how you are coming up with any of this. Maybe you could post your math that shows how your numbers directly tie into a single vote?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It depends on whether a person agrees with their decision as to whether the Supreme Court is making law or enforcing the Constitution or Bill of Rights. If a person agrees, they are enforcing the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If not, they are treasonous renegades who hate the Constitution and are ego-manaics.
    No, In article 3 the constitution was clear in establishing the court. It held that the Constitution was the highest law of the land, and began in my view overstepping their bounds with the interpretation of a "Living Constitution"... Here are a number of cases that have been decided as "law of the land" through judicial fiat.



    DECISION DATE COURT TYPES OF ACTIVISM
    Atkins v. Virginia 06/20/2002 Second Circuit Importing Foreign Law, Judicial Imperialism, Living Constitutionalism
    Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce 03/27/1990 Supreme Court Playing Legislator
    Baker v. Carr 03/26/1962 Supreme Court Judicial Imperialism
    BMW v. Gore 05/20/1996 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism, Playing Legislator
    Compassion in Dying v. State of Washington 05/28/1996 Ninth Circuit Living Constitutionalism
    Cooper v. Aaron 09/12/1958 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Judicial Imperialism
    Dabit v. Merrill Lynch 01/11/2005 Second Circuit Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Doe v. Bolton 01/22/1973 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism
    Everson v. Board of Ed. of Ewing Tp. 02/10/1947 Supreme Court Contorting Text
    Fierro v. Gomez 02/21/1996 Ninth Circuit Living Constitutionalism, Playing Favorites
    Flast v. Cohen 06/10/1968 Supreme Court Judicial Imperialism, Playing Legislator
    Garcia v. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority 02/19/1985 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Gonzales v. Raich 06/06/2005 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Griswold v. Connecticut 06/07/1965 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism, Playing Legislator
    Hamdan v. Rumsfeld 06/29/2006 Supreme Court Contorting Text, Judicial Imperialism, Playing Legislator
    Hawaii Housing Authority v. Midkiff 05/30/1984 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text, Nullifying Rights
    Hayden v. Pataki 04/04/2006 Second Circuit Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Hill v. Colorado 06/28/2000 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Nullifying Rights
    Home Building & Loan Association v. Blaisdell 01/08/1934 Supreme Court Contorting Text, Nullifying Rights
    Hudson v. McMillian 02/25/1992 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism
    Humphrey's Executor v. United States 05/27/1935 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Hunter ex rel. Brandt v. The Regents of the University of California 09/09/1999 Ninth Circuit Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text, Playing Legislator
    Katzenbach v. McClung 10/05/1964 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Kelo v. City of New London, Conn. 06/23/2005 Second Circuit Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Kennedy v. Louisiana 06/25/2008 Supreme Court Judicial Imperialism, Living Constitutionalism
    Lawrence v. Texas 06/26/2003 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism, Playing Favorites
    Lemon v. Kurtzman 06/28/1971 Supreme Court Playing Legislator
    Malesko v. Correctional Services Corp. 10/06/2000 Second Circuit Abusing Precedent
    Maloney v. Cuomo 01/28/2009 Second Circuit Abusing Precedent, Nullifying Rights
    Mapp v. Ohio 06/19/1961 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Playing Legislator
    Missouri v. Jenkins 04/18/1990 Supreme Court Judicial Imperialism, Playing Legislator
    Morrison v. Olson 06/29/1988 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text
    Planned Parenthood v. Casey 06/29/1992 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Judicial Imperialism, Living Constitutionalism
    Rasul v. Bush 06/28/2004 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Judicial Imperialism, Playing Legislator
    Reynolds v. Sims 06/15/1964 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent, Living Constitutionalism
    Ricci v. DeStefano 06/13/2008 Second Circuit Contorting Text, Judicial Dishonesty
    Roe v. Wade 01/22/1973 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism
    Romer v. Evans 05/20/1996 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism
    Roper v. Simmons 03/01/2005 Supreme Court Importing Foreign Law, Living Constitutionalism, Playing Legislator
    Saenz v. Roe 05/17/1999 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism
    Silveira v. Lockyer 12/05/2002 Ninth Circuit Contorting Text, Nullifying Rights
    The Slaughterhouse Cases 04/14/1873 Supreme Court Contorting Text, Nullifying Rights
    Southwest Voter Registration Education Project v. Shelley 09/15/2003 Ninth Circuit Abusing Precedent, Contorting Text, Judicial Imperialism
    Tashjian v. Republican Party of Connecticut 12/10/1986 Supreme Court Abusing Precedent
    Thompson v. Oklahoma 06/29/1988 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism
    Trop v. Dulles 03/31/1958 Supreme Court Living Constitutionalism
    United States v. Bad Marriage 12/30/2004 Ninth Circuit Playing Favorites
    United States v. SCRAP 06/18/1973 Supreme Court Judicial Imperialism
    United States v. Virginia 06/26/1996 Supreme Court Playing Legislator
    United Steelworkers v. Weber 06/27/1979 Supreme Court Contorting Text
    Weeks v. United States 02/24/1914 Supreme Court Playing Legislator
    Wickard v. Filburn 11/09/1942 Supreme Court Contorting Text

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com


    I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably end up going to the SCOTUS.
    As someone who is pro-life/anti-abortion I will take every inch my side can get.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As someone who is pro-life/anti-abortion I will take every inch my side can get.
    That is what we have to do now that we have traded one king, for nine.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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