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    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The fatal injections and crushing of skulls is the only legal option left for the extreme cases because of the partial birth abortion act.
    A long time ago before the the partial birth abortion act a very very few of the aborted fetus that would never survive because they were not viable did seem to survive for a few minutes so pro life people made a fuss because they thought that meant that the fetus would have survived if an abortion had not taken place.
    That is why the partial birth abortions were banned. Now doctors cannot try to abort the fetus intact.
    The skull of a fetus cannot be removed intact without a D and E and since D and E are against the law the doctor sadly has to crush the skull in order to remove it without a D and E .

    Sometimes when politicians pass laws they make some situations worse for the women who were forced by medial need into having an abortion when the pregnancy they had was a wanted pregnancy turned into a nightmare because of medical reasons.

    That is what I feel sad about.
    It's absolutely grotesque. The partial birth anortion ban, I believe, also ended third trimester abortions that are not for health reasons.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Read the above as a response. Your train of thought is so off base and asinine that it's impossible to debate someone such as yourself. You jump to conclusions about people such as "if you are pro-life, you are pro-rape" and "if you are pro-life you are merely a dominant male". Absurd to say the least. Nice straw man. As I said earlier, debate with you (if that's what we're calling this) is totally beneath me or any other sane user on the website. Have a nice day.
    A man such as you claiming men can just walk away from their children with no responsibility - in waves of self defined man-god status over women, definitely would not like me for sure.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Actually the planned parenthood official is not very informed about any abortion that takes place at or after 20 weeks gestation.

    The youngest surviving premie was 21 weeks and 6 days gestation.
    There is never going to be a baby who will survive a legal abortion anymore since partial birth abortions were banned.

    The law requires that any abortion that takes place at or after 20 weeks gestation requires the doctor to inject a fatal injection into the fetus before the abortion starts to take place.

    And since D and E is no longer used because of the partial birth ban ..after the fatal injection takes place the abortion doctor has to crush the skull of the fetus of 20 weeks gestation or later to be able to remove it from the undialated cervix.

    So if the abortion is a legal abortion no fetus will ever survive an abortion.
    The Planned Parenthood person NEVER said "post birth abortion," never said "destroy it" or "kill it' or any such thing. She said the doctor and patient would have to decide what to do, she can't know in that vague generalization.

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    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The Planned Parenthood person NEVER said "post birth abortion," never said "destroy it" or "kill it' or any such thing. She said the doctor and patient would have to decide what to do, she can't know in that vague generalization.
    If the baby is alive then you try to keep it alive. Some cases in the past have involved putting the baby in a bucket and letting it die.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Absolutely. See, in a country founded on the principle of letting the people decide what they want for their own communities...The idea is federalism. Look it up. If NY, or any other state wants to ban sodas, limit salt, tell you what to eat, how much to eat, where to smoke, what to drink, what size you toilet tank can be, or kill your unborn child, then so be it, you can live there. What makes this country great so far is that there are other states with more freedom to make your own real choice about things like that, and I, if I choose, can move there. You on the other hand want a central government, or in this case a court of 9 unelected judges making law, then you get to call it a right, and muddy the issue by personally attacking anyone whom disagrees with you. When you have that centralized government that you think is all wise, trust me when I say when you find something you disagree with, there will be nowhere to get away from it.
    Other than you totally repudiate the U. S. Constitution's Bill of Rights, you have a point. Of course, then you agree any state or locality can totally ban firearms, shut down newspapers, ban free speech, and decide you can't vote. I disagree totally, but you can have your opinion.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas-Mors View Post
    If the baby is alive then you try to keep it alive. Some cases in the past have involved putting the baby in a bucket and letting it die.
    The woman from Planned Parenthood never said, suggested or hinted "let it die." They were asking her for a medical opinion of a damaged child on birth - not even saying damaged how. There was no way for her to answer other than say that is to say she has no qualification to answer and that is up to the doctor and patient.

    I have not read any pro-lifer saying to put a born baby in a bucket and let it die. Please link to it if I'm mistaken.

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    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The woman from Planned Parenthood never said, suggested or hinted "let it die." They were asking her for a medical opinion of a damaged child on birth - not even saying damaged how. There was no way for her to answer other than say that is to say she has no qualification to answer and that is up to the doctor and patient.

    I have not read any pro-lifer saying to put a born baby in a bucket and let it die. Please link to it if I'm mistaken.
    No, they told her that the law currently does not demand that doctors in abortion clinics have to provide emergency care to babies born from botched abortions. And she said that planned parenthood disagrees that they should have to provide that care but rather it should be the choice of the mother and physician. And then the lawmaker asked what happens to the baby who is crying on the table and the lady from PP said 'that is the decision of the woman.'

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas-Mors View Post
    No, they told her that the law currently does not demand that doctors in abortion clinics have to provide emergency care to babies born from botched abortions. And she said that planned parenthood disagrees that they should have to provide that care but rather it should be the choice of the mother and physician. And then the lawmaker asked what happens to the baby who is crying on the table and the lady from PP said 'that is the decision of the woman.'
    If that is what was truly asked and of that was reply then whoever was asking the questions either did not know a law was already in place to prevent any fetus from being born alive or they were trying to set lady from the planned parenthood up , hoping she did not know the abortion procedure ( which apparently she didnt ) so they send the video to media and stir up the abortion issue all over again.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas-Mors View Post
    It's absolutely grotesque. The partial birth anortion ban, I believe, also ended third trimester abortions that are not for health reasons.
    No , third trimester abortions were already rare and were used for health reasons anyway.
    Partial birth abortion were usually done during the late second trimester.

    It was the procedure that was banned not the abortions themselves.

    it was a piece of legislation signed to make pro life people feel like something had been done..but the egislation just made it harder on the the women who wanted to bury the remains of a pregnancy that went medically wrong.

    from wiki:


    The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 ...enacted November 5, 2003, ... is a United States law prohibiting a form of late-term abortion that the Act calls "partial-birth abortion", often referred to in medical literature as intact dilation and extraction...

    This statute prohibits a method of abortion in the United States that it names "partial birth abortion". The procedure described in the statute isually used in the second trimester,from 15 to 26 weeks, some of which occur before and some of which occur after viability. The law itself contains no reference to gestational age or viability. The present statute is directed only at a method of abortion, rather than at preventing any woman from obtaining an abortion.[4]

    Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    If that is what was truly asked and of that was reply then whoever was asking the questions either did not know a law was already in place to prevent any fetus from being born alive or they were trying to set lady from the planned parenthood up , hoping she did not know the abortion procedure ( which apparently she didnt ) so they send the video to media and stir up the abortion issue all over again.
    Ok I just watched the video ( I had only read the slanted article in the link before) the first question was not clear and she answered any decision should be between the doctor and the family.
    When the congressman clarified his question she said she did not know the answer because she was not a doctor and she did not know what happens.

    Yep... it sure looks like the congressman was trying to put on her on the spot which he did because she really did not know what happens when an abortion at or after 20 weeks gestation takes place.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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