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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I think it is an accurate description....False terminology like "pro choice" is meant to mask what it is that side of the argument is for...I mean, can not "pro choice" also mean the choice to keep the baby?
    It isn't false terminology. Pro-choice is giving the woman the right to CHOOSE whether to have the baby or not. Hence PRO-CHOICE. Your side doesn't want the woman to be able to choose.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That "right to privacy" ends the moment you privately choose to engage in an act that you know can, and will result in the creation of a human child, then expect me to subsidize the murder of it when you don't want it.
    Sliding "subsidize" in that statement is, again, you trying to divert to change the topic - as you typically do.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It isn't false terminology. Pro-choice is giving the woman the right to CHOOSE whether to have the baby or not. Hence PRO-CHOICE. Your side doesn't want the woman to be able to choose.
    He wants more than that. He wants men singularly to make the choice.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It isn't false terminology. Pro-choice is giving the woman the right to CHOOSE whether to have the baby or not. Hence PRO-CHOICE. Your side doesn't want the woman to be able to choose.
    Nonsense. See, this is what I mean...You telling me what I believe when I use terms is funny. The choice is made earlier than the point where a life is electively ended.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Sliding "subsidize" in that statement is, again, you trying to divert to change the topic - as you typically do.
    No, it is me evening up the debate ground by using the same strategies of debate that my opponents use...So you want an unfair debate ground to discuss the topic...I wonder why?
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I think it is an accurate description....False terminology like "pro choice" is meant to mask what it is that side of the argument is for...I mean, can not "pro choice" also mean the choice to keep the baby?
    Wow. You were going for a hat trick of errors in a single post? A rarity, to be sure.

    1) Since she's having an abortion, she already 'chose' not to.
    2) It couldn't be 'false terminology', since it's self-explanatory and logically consistent. There's no ambiguity or attempt to deceive.
    3) Pro-Abortion would indeed be an inaccurate depiction of Pro-Choicers' beliefs, since they don't actively encourage abortion.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    He wants mo2re than that. He wants men singularly to make the choice.
    2nd time....Please talk to me when speaking about me....If you continue to misrepresent my views to a third party, I'll report it.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. See, this is what I mean...You telling me what I believe when I use terms is funny. The choice is made earlier than the point where a life is electively ended.
    If you're Pro-Life, you'd see the option of abortion denied and prohibited. There's no mistaking what you believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, it is me evening up the debate ground by using the same strategies of debate that my opponents use...So you want an unfair debate ground to discuss the topic...I wonder why?
    Good luck levelling a moral debate.

    No one else ever managed it.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. See, this is what I mean...You telling me what I believe when I use terms is funny. The choice is made earlier than the point where a life is electively ended.
    No more funny than you telling me what I believe when I use terms. The fact here is you don't want the woman to choose to carry the fetus or not. That's anti-choice no matter how you look at it.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And it should be up to the people in North Dakota. If that is what they want, and their legislature pass the law, and the Governor signs it, then it should stand. I am not for some over arching central authority telling the states what to do. I don't think that is what this country was founded upon.
    Ok, then you are on record as being entirely agreeable to California, New York and any other state having legalized abortion - and the U.S. Supreme Court may never establish any legal rights for any "person" until after that person is born. That is what you just stated, that the U.S. Supreme Court would never had any jurisdiction to rule that a fetus has any human or legal rights.


    I colored this in red so I can find it easily to be able to find it in the future - to make it clear that you support the rights of people to legalize abortion as is the case for over 90% of Americans and most states. Wouldn't want you contradicting yourself.

    Therefore, in all but North Dakota, it is correct law that life does NOT begin at conception AND that women are allowed abortions as the will of the legislatures of all other 49 states.
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