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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Pro-life is a dishonest term. It is Pro Rapist Procreation Rights. Pro-life is really also Pro-Womens-Deaths too. Pro-life is a totally dishonest term.
    I have to disagree. I am pro-life. This means that I believe in the sanctity of all human life, and this is not limited to the abortion issue. I also oppose the death penalty and, in many circumstances, euthanasia. I am a woman, and I have been raped. To suggest that I am "pro-rapist-anything" is very insulting and also obviously and stupidly just not true. I have sisters and a daughter, and I am definitely "pro-woman."

    You know, it's fine with me if others don't share my views. Just don't insult me by trying to characterize me as someone I am not.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That "right to privacy" ends the moment you privately choose to engage in an act that you know can, and will result in the creation of a human child, then expect me to subsidize the murder of it when you don't want it.
    No one said anything about subsidizing an abortion ( an abortion is not murder under the law no matter how you feel about it)

    No the right to privacy does not end when a woman has sex. The right to privacy is about reproduction.
    A woman along with husband/ lover/ boyfriend has the right to choose when they are ready to have children, how many children they want , and how far apart to space them.

    Take the case of the happily married faithful wife who shares the marriage bed with husband.
    They have a baby whom they love dearly but the pregnancy did cause health problems for the woman which she is still struggling with.

    The woman loves her husband and faithfully takes her birth control because they want to share the marriage bed and their love for each other.

    What if the birth control fails?

    According to you she made her choice because she was a loving, and faithful wife. You think
    She needs to continue the pregnancy even though she will not be healthy enough to take of baby she already has.
    On the other hand if she had an early legal abortion and was able to wait another year or so until she is healthier she could continue to be a good mother who can take good care of her baby and be loving and caring wife to her husband.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This thread is supposed to be about the Arkansas law, not North Dakota...I understand the the conversation will broaden, however, I feel that the attempt to bring in ND to the conversation is an attempt to shift the goal posts.
    I understand that Arkansas was the original intent, but since then...North Dakota has trumped their abortion laws in severity. The goal in conversations like these are simple...Pro-Life and Pro-Choice making their case with the attempt to prove the other wrong.

    As these conversations grow....the inevitability is for it to broaden and eventually lead back to Roe V Wade against State Rights.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Pro-life is a dishonest term. It is Pro Rapist Procreation Rights. Pro-life is really also Pro-Womens-Deaths too. Pro-life is a totally dishonest term.


    Yet more flamebait nonsense from you.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post


    Yet more flamebait nonsense from you.

    No more flamebaiting than calling Pro-Choice people pro-abortion. I am not for abortion personally, but I'm not going to force my views on other women.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No more flamebaiting than calling Pro-Choice people pro-abortion. I am not for abortion personally, but I'm not going to force my views on other women.
    Calling someone who is pro-abortion (in favor of the legality of abortion) "pro-abortion" is accurate.

    Calling someone who is anti-abortion (opposed to the legality of abortion) "pro-rape" is ****ing retarded flamebait bull****tery.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Human development does not begin at conception. It begins with the formation of sperm and egg. The LIE that it begins at conception is another convenience false reasoning created for the convenience of irresponsible, amoral men.
    Sorry Joko, this part of your post just bothers me immensely. The premise that protecting life at its conception is somehow irresponsible, or amoral to you seems exactly opposite of reality in the situation.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Calling someone who is pro-abortion (in favor of the legality of abortion) "pro-abortion" is accurate.

    Calling someone who is anti-abortion (opposed to the legality of abortion) "pro-rape" is ****ing retarded flamebait bull****tery.
    Like I said, I am not PRO-abortion, I am just not for making it illegal for someone else. Is it accurate to say you are pro-drunk driving since you don't want alcohol illegal for everyone? No, it isn't. so your lable IS inaccurate.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Pro-life is a dishonest term. It is Pro Rapist Procreation Rights. Pro-life is really also Pro-Womens-Deaths too. Pro-life is a totally dishonest term.
    Nonsense. The terminology you are proscribing here is emotion based to inflame only.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    People who are pro choice feel the choice of continuing a pregnancy should be up to the pregnant woman.
    We feel strongly that no woman should ever be forced by the government to have abortion or to continue a pregnancy.
    We feel the woman knows her own body, her health history, her feelings the best and that she along with her doctor and her
    Husband,boyfriend,lover ( if she is in a good relationship she will include him ) should be allowed to make the decision if she should continue her pregnancy or not.
    I fully understand what the pro side is of those in favor of abortion on demand. However, that choice is made before the act that results in a pregnancy to begin with. On this I don't think we will see eye to eye.
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