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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I never said sex was evil. I'm merely pointing out the FACT that with sex come possibilities of a child, an STD, etc. Everything enjoyable thing has a risk. The problem with people such as yourself is you look for every way imaginable to mitigate the natural risks that come with sex. Sex is not meant to be some hobby like fishing or collecting comics. It also has a very serious and important function as well. To treat it as if it is just something everyone should enjoy is irresponsible and frankly stupid IMO.
    As far as a woman having a choice, she does have a choice. She has the choice of "Should I have unprotected sex with this man knowing I may become pregnant?" If the answer to that is yes, she should be prepared to deal with the possible ramifications of that decision. Once a life has budded inside of her, she loses the choice. She now has a human being inside of her that is depending upon her to take car or it.
    Your umbilical cord argument is ridiculous. If anything the umbilical cord represents the betrayal that is abortion. Babies are depending upon the person on the other end of that cord to fulfill their part of the deal. The baby has no control over the irresponsible decision of the mother to have unprotected sex. It shouldn't have to pay for it with it's life.
    So you are saying that no one with STDs should receive treatment because they took the risk - and treatment of course violates then science and reality - plus allows people to avoid responsibility. You would not be the first member on this forum tkaing that position.

    Nor should anyone injured in any accident be treated. Nor any athlete. Nor anyone allowed any medical treatment that took any risks whatsoever.

    I have NO DOUBT you do NOT apply your "responsibility" standard to yourself, but then you have already explained that in pregnancy men/you have no responsibility at all anyway. Your messages are just bizarre male power tripping.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Because of states like North Dakota stopping a woman's rights in federal law. The state has NO right dictating to a woman WHEN she is pregnant, how many times she gets pregnant and by whom when they are not giving her a $250,000 salary, FREE 15 room mansion, CARS, gas, groceries, nannies, butlers, maids, free health care for her and her brood, the MAN she desires to marry with a job making $5 billion and free lawn care.

    What the?....Are you kidding here? We all make choices in life that are either good, or bad....It is NOT the governments place to ensure that you are making the right decision. Also, the question you raise is one of federalism. Is it the federal government, or the state government that is supposed to have the greatest power in a persons everyday life? I would say the smaller circle of government legislation, and control is the way it was intended.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So you are abandoning using the word "rights" in relation to ZEFs/unborn children? Or are you claiming the words "rights" should only be disallowed to women?
    Neither, false choice.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    People who are pro choice feel the choice of continuing a pregnancy should be up to the pregnant woman.
    We feel strongly that no woman should ever be forced by the government to have abortion or to continue a pregnancy.
    We feel the woman knows her own body, her health history, her feelings the best and that she along with her doctor and her
    Husband,boyfriend,lover ( if she is good relationship she will include him ) should be allowed to make the decision if she should continue her pregnancy or not.
    J-Mac often posts absurd and false statements - the only you were responding to in particular probably hundreds of times - just to try to bait people. He knows his statement is false and he knows what the response is.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Neither, false choice.

    Ok, just more total contradictions by you when you don't like where you own words lead to. Nothing new.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    SCOTUS ruled that women and couples had a " right to privacy" regarding reproductivity.
    SCOTUS did give the states the right to limit abortions in the last trimester as they allowed the states to have a compelling interest in the "potential person" after viability.
    SCOTUS are not kings. They were neither set up to, nor should they be making law through stare decisis.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Women and/or couples have a "right to privacy".
    The precedent for that right was made in 1965 when the Supreme Court ruled that couples have a right regarding reproductivity.
    ( They have a right to choose when to have a child, how many to have , and how far apart they wish to space them.)

    In 1973 when Roe vs Wade was decided the Supreme Court ruled that under the "right to privacy" women could choose a legal abortion.

    States could take a compelling interest after viability.

    So it is not possible for the unborn to havethe same type of rights that women and/ or couples have.
    That "right to privacy" ends the moment you privately choose to engage in an act that you know can, and will result in the creation of a human child, then expect me to subsidize the murder of it when you don't want it.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Exactly.
    Like the new North Dakota law which only allows for abortions until 6 weeks gestation.
    North Dakota only has 1 abortion clinic so the woman has to arrange for an abortion, plan her trip to the clinic which might be hundreds of miles away , arrange for someone to take care of her children,if she has children all before she has even missed her period.

    Oh, and by the way North Dakota does not make exceptions for rape, incest, Health of the woman, or fetal deformities even if the fetus dies before labor.

    If a fetus dies a natural death before labor and is not expelled a doctor will usually perform an abortion ( yes, removing a dead fetus is called an abortion) to remove the fetus and fetal material before it becomes septic which could be fatal to the woman.
    This thread is supposed to be about the Arkansas law, not North Dakota...I understand the the conversation will broaden, however, I feel that the attempt to bring in ND to the conversation is an attempt to shift the goal posts.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    SCOTUS are not kings. They were neither set up to, nor should they be making law through stare decisis.
    The " right to privacy" was decided in 1965 a full 8 years before Roe vs Wade.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Abortion is not a "right".... If those whom are on the side of pro abortion want that to be, then they should go through the proper channels and pass an amendment....What they do have at the moment is what I would term a "faux right", that is to say that abortion advocates now have a tenuous ruling made by man, granted by a panel of 9 un-elected officials that can be reversed, or taken away at any time which that body feels that the original decision was made in error.

    The problem we have when we let the SCOTUS make law is that in time that law can be overturned. The founding of this country never envisioned the court having the power to make law, that was supposed to be the power of the congress, and the President. The point in which started using precedent to make law was a bastardization of the intent of the Constitution, and I think purposely done to weaken it....

    You can spout off all you want, but it is a right as defined. So go pound sand and try to sell your **** to someone who cares. I am for the liberty and freedom of women. You are not.

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