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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Passengers on an aircraft flying above 12,000 feet are INSIDE the aircraft and are dependent on the aircraft for oxygen through cabin pressurization or oxygen masks if the latter fails.

    Are they not human?

    That is a bad analogy as the aircraft is not a living being.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    That is a bad analogy as the aircraft is not a living being.
    Fair point, but I don't think that complete invalidates it. It may be a machine, but their lives still depend on it.

    Why do they have to depend on a living being?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Fair point, but I don't think that complete invalidates it. It may be a machine, but their lives still depend on it.

    Why do they have to depend on a living being?
    Well it is a living being.(..the woman ) whose body is being used during a pregnancy for life support and she should be able to have a choice in that matter.

    A women needs to be good health herself to be able to be a life support for the pregnancy.
    When I was very ill during my pregnancy my health was depleted which not only risked my life but also put my pregnancy at risk.

    No matter how healthy a woman is when she gets pregnant, the fact it uses the woman's oxygen and nutrients can put the woman's life at risk.

    Even if the passengers are dependent on the oxygen in plane the use of that planes oxygen does not put the planes life in danger since the plane is not living.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    500,000 women die each year from pregnancy and labor.
    5,000,000 women are premanently crippled each year from pregnancy and labor.
    They do not care.

    But they do not believe women have a right to life. There is no santity of life for woman. Women are not human life. Women are just organic incubators for men's children. Nothing else. Rapists have rights in procreation. Women don't. That's God's law - or natural law - in their opinion.

    All their platitudes originate from men. Men wrote the Bible. Men made the rules. The standards. Men overwhelming dominate every legislative body making these women-are-our-babymaking-slaves rules. Many women are raised with those values of men ground into them from their earliest childhood. Men write the rules. Rules that say they decide what risks women take. They decide that women must risk death for their children.

    All their hollow lofty words of "santity of human life" and "life begins at conception" really go back to the premise that men rule women and once a man inpregnates a woman - regardless of her age and whether she consented or not - from that moment on he has total power over her - including life and death. It is evil men who made their slogans and platitudes. Rapist men. Men who treated women like slaves.
    Wow! What a hysterical rant that was.

    If it was a right-winger saying that it would be 'hate speech', but when it comes from leftists its just amusing.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    500,000 women die each year from pregnancy and labor.
    5,000,000 women are premanently crippled each year from pregnancy and labor.
    They do not care.
    In the world maybe, in the US they'd all be disabled or dead in ~10 years.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Passengers on an aircraft flying above 12,000 feet are INSIDE the aircraft and are dependent on the aircraft for oxygen through cabin pressurization or oxygen masks if the latter fails.

    Are they not human?
    What? What a silly analogy. We are talking about a ZEF INSIDE a human being. What does planes have to do with it? If the planes crashes, it doesn't die, and many of the people might live. Need to really work on comprehending what housing a parasite is all about.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In the world maybe, in the US they'd all be disabled or dead in ~10 years.
    In the world.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    It's not a baby. And the ONLY one affected by this pregnancy IS the woman and HER life. NO one else. YOU certainly are not. The STATE certainly is not. The state isn't giving the woman a house, car, great paying job with paid vacations and health care and a good neighborhood and good schools and college for the woman and her offspring. ERGO, the state and YOU have no rights in this decision.
    How is it not a baby? Life begins at some point correct? So, by your theory, a mother can kill a fetus at any point up to and including minutes before birth?

    The state has an obligation to protect all citizens. Not just one that made a poor choice to have sex with someone that wasn't going to stick around to help with the baby. It's called dealing with consequences of your actions. I understand that men get off easy in this deal. Totally understand. But that's the way it is. Women were blessed (or cursed depending upon who your talking to) with the ability to carry and give birth to other human beings. They need to think about that before they have unprotected sex with a partner.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    In all honesty, standing up for human rights IS the libertarian philosophy on this one.

    Being pro-abortion and claiming to be a "libertarian" is no different than being pro-slavery and claiming to be a "libertarian." It's directly at odds with what the philosophy is about, especially the principle of non-aggression and equal human rights.
    I understand that most libertarians are "pro-life". However, they way in which most of them deal with it ie let the states handle it, goes against what I believe is the correct way to handle it. Killing a baby is killing a baby. No matter what level of gov't handles it. And I do not believe our country should allow ANY level of gov't to dictate that killing a baby is okay. There are VERY few things I will advocate for Federal gov't to be involved in. This is one of those VERY few things.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Exactly...there are extenuating circumstances and bureaucrats like to paint legislation with a broad brush. On something like this...you can't be broad. There are issues that can arise...and in some states...it doesn't matter...still can't get an abortion. It is the reason I don't think politicians should decide abortion
    IMO, abortion is the murder of a human being in the early stage of it's developement. No civilized country should allow that. This is why it is so dangerous to trivialize sexual intercourse in the way our culture has. There are reactions to the action, one of which being pregnancy. Like I posted to another user, the woman has a responsibility to think of that before engaging in sex with someone. Like it or not, women have the burden in this deal. Men can get a woman pregnant and disappear without ever having to worry about the repercussions.

    Abortion can be legislated. It merely takes level headed politicians to do so. So, in other words, we'll never see it happen.
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