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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, with that in mind then, why shouldn't it be left to the states to decide law in this arena? Didn't the SCOTUS overstep their powers when deciding Roe? If not, why not?
    SCOTUS ruled that women and couples had a " right to privacy" regarding reproductivity.
    SCOTUS did give the states the right to limit abortions in the last trimester as they allowed the states to have a compelling interest in the "potential person" after viability.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Depends on how you look at things. If you think voting on someone's rights should be left to the states than yes they overstepped their bounds. However, if you believe that states shouldn't be able to vote on someone else's rights, then no they didn't overstep.

    I don't think the states should be able to vote on someone else's rights.
    We don't agree that voluntary abortions are a 'right' or that they should be considered to be a right by the courts.

    Children have a right to the protections of our laws too - same as their mothers do.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Welliam Wittier View Post
    We don't agree that voluntary abortions are a 'right' or that they should be considered to be a right by the courts.

    Children have a right to the protections of our laws too - same as their mothers do.
    Women and/or couples have a "right to privacy".
    The precedent for that right was made in 1965 when the Supreme Court ruled that couples have a right regarding reproductivity.
    ( They have a right to choose when to have a child, how many to have , and how far apart they wish to space them.)

    In 1973 when Roe vs Wade was decided the Supreme Court ruled that under the "right to privacy" women could choose a legal abortion.

    States could take a compelling interest after viability.

    So it is not possible for the unborn to havethe same type of rights that women and/ or couples have.
    Last edited by minnie616; 03-27-13 at 02:17 PM.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    So it is not possible for the unborn to rights women and/ or couples have.
    Well, when you word it like that - what can say anything against it?

    Other than "is that even Engrish?"

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Welliam Wittier View Post
    Well, when you word it like that - what can say anything against it?

    Other than "is that even Engrish?"
    Clearly this portion of her message:

    Women and/or couples have a "right to privacy".
    The precedent for that right was made in 1965 when the Supreme Court ruled that couples have a right regarding reproductivity.
    ( They have a right to choose when to have a child, how many to have , and how far apart they wish to space them.)

    In 1973 when Roe vs Wade was decided the Supreme Court ruled that under the "right to privacy" women could choose a legal abortion.

    States could take a compelling interest after viability.


    was also beyond your ability to read too. You have stated before on this forum that you have limited reading skills. That's ok, just do the best you can. I have no formal education myself. Having a high school degree or even being particularly literate isn't a forum requirement. The only expectation is trying to comprehend others messages.

    Don't get discouraged. People with reading skills limitations commonly have great difficulty understanding a written statement if it contains minor grammar or typographical errors because the person is already struggling with the words.

    It's spelled "English," not "Engrish." That's no big deal. We're not grammar and spelling Nazis on this forum. If that was not a typo by you, I suggest trying to use spell and grammar check by writing out your messages first on a word program. I often do so myself. It could help you out a lot.
    Last edited by joko104; 03-27-13 at 02:31 PM.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Welliam Wittier View Post
    Well, when you word it like that - what can say anything against it?

    Other than "is that even Engrish?"
    No it's not "even Engrish".

    I have dyslexia and I edited my post to say" it is not possible for the unborn to have type of rights women and/ or couples have."
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Don't get discouraged. People with reading skills limitations commonly have great difficulty understanding a written statement if it contains minor grammar or typographical errors because the person is already struggling with the words.

    It's spelled "English," not "Engrish." That's no big deal. We're not grammar and spelling Nazis on this forum. If that was not a typo by you, I suggest trying to use spell and grammar check by writing out your messages first on a word program. I often do so myself. It could help you out a lot.
    Thanks for this.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    No it's not "even Engrish".

    I have dyslexia and I edited my post to say" it is not possible for the unborn to have type of rights women and/ or couples have."
    Okay, well I happen to disagree with you on your conclusions and on the courts conclusions too.

    I have loved ones with dyslexia and I am not insensitive to that.

    You apparently have a much less severe case than those I am familiar with.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    What the North Dakota and Arkansas laws banning abortion if a heartbeat is present show is that: 1) the scientific reality that a ZEF is a living human is being more widely embraced, 2) that ethics and morality against unjustified killing of humans is still alive and well, 3) that, therefore, there will always be challenges to abortion on demand until the only abortions allowed will be to prevent the death/grave health of the mother, and ..

    .. 4) that the best thing for pro-choice ideologues to do now is to jump on the bandwagon of getting the new state-of-the-art conception-prevention "pills" pharmaceuticals, those that are non-hormonal, are 100% safe and effective, are available for both men (lops of the tails of sperm) and women (hardens released egg "shells" to prevent penetration) thru FDA testing and to a globally-affordable market.

    Acceptance is really for the best .. and a word to the wise should be sufficient.

    Pro-choicers are fighting a losing battle, as science is against them.

    Best is to utilize state-of-the-art science to reduce the need for unjustified-homicide abortions.

    Then everyone wins, pre- and post- natal alike.

    That's the centrist approach to solving the abortion conflict.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I think the government shouldn't be involved in abortion. I don't think bureaucrats should be able to legislate on something that can be complex. It is something between the patient and doctor....politicians should be out of this.
    Disagree. It's a human life we're talking about, not the choice to marry someone or smoke weed. I agree with libertarian philosophy 9 out 10 times but this issue is the one time I don't and the exact reason I don't claim libertarian as my lean. This isn't a choice that simply effects the decision maker (the mother). Another person is directly effected as well. And that person is at the mercy of the decision maker. A baby has no choice in who is carrying her therefore the carrier has the responsibility to carry until birth. Obviously, there are exceptions such as imminent death of the mother, imminent death of the baby.
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