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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I'm not a baby killer either - and there are a bunch of messages all over the forum calling me a rightwing Tea Partier too. Actually I'm now a yellow dog feminist Democrat - specifically because of this issue of Republicans passing laws to force little girls to have their rapists babies and insuring all would-be rapists they'll do that for them.

    I didn't use the word "all."
    I know you are not a baby killer.
    You have done your best to protect women who choose to continue pregnancies when family members want them to have abortions.
    No one should ever call you or any other person a baby killer who fights for a woman's choice.

    I know you did not use the word all .
    But Welliam did use the word all which is why I called him on it.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I'm not a baby killer either - and there are a bunch of messages all over the forum calling me a rightwing Tea Partier too. Actually I'm now a yellow dog feminist Democrat - specifically because of this issue of Republicans passing laws to force little girls to have their rapists babies and insuring all would-be rapists they'll do that for them.

    I didn't use the word "all."
    As far as I know the commonly accepted compromise between the two sides of the debate all include exceptions for the Health of the mother, rape, incest, etc....

    Using terminology like force, and control, and rights, is a highly dishonest tactic for the pro abortion side to take.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I know you are not a baby killer.
    You have done your best to protect women who choose to continue pregnancies when family members want them to have abortions.
    No one should ever call you or any other person a baby killer who fights for a woman's choice.

    I know you did not use the word all .
    But Welliam did use the word all which is why I called him on it.
    Do you believe it fair for people on your side of the argument to say that those on my side want to "force" women to carry babies? I don't see any qualifiers in that? So, you get offended when someone lumps 'all' pro abortion people together, but it is fine when you, or anyone else on the pro abortion side does it back?

    Come on....
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you believe it fair for people on your side of the argument to say that those on my side want to "force" women to carry babies? I don't see any qualifiers in that? So, you get offended when someone lumps 'all' pro abortion people together, but it is fine when you, or anyone else on the pro abortion side does it back?

    Come on....
    I do not say all people on side your side want to force a woman to continue a pregnancy.
    I always make it very clear that I could never support a law or a country that would force a woman a woman to continue her pregnancy and I also make it very clear that I would never support a law or a country that would force a woman to have an abortion.

    I qualify it by saying a law or a country , I sometimes say some pro life people but I never say conservatives or republicans or include all on one side as a group when I present an argument. I know many people on all sides have their own ideas , their own
    Experiences and their own morals which help form their opinions. No two of us are the same , we are all ( and yes this is one of the few times I will use the word all on a debate thread) individuals.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I do not say all people on side your side want to force a woman to continue a pregnancy.
    I always make it very clear that I could never support a law or a country that would force a woman a woman to continue her pregnancy and I also make it very clear that I would never support a law or a country that would force a woman to have an abortion.

    I qualify it by saying a law or a country , I sometimes say some pro life people but I never say conservatives or republicans or include all on one side as a group when I present an argument. I know many people on all sides have their own ideas , their own
    Experiences and their own morals which help form their opinions. No two of us are the same , we are all ( and yes this is one of the few times I will use the word all on a debate thread) individuals.
    Ok, with that in mind then, why shouldn't it be left to the states to decide law in this arena? Didn't the SCOTUS overstep their powers when deciding Roe? If not, why not?
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, with that in mind then, why shouldn't it be left to the states to decide law in this arena? Didn't the SCOTUS overstep their powers when deciding Roe? If not, why not?
    Depends on how you look at things. If you think voting on someone's rights should be left to the states than yes they overstepped their bounds. However, if you believe that states shouldn't be able to vote on someone else's rights, then no they didn't overstep.

    I don't think the states should be able to vote on someone else's rights.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As far as I know the commonly accepted compromise between the two sides of the debate all include exceptions for the Health of the mother, rape, incest, etc....

    Using terminology like force, and control, and rights, is a highly dishonest tactic for the pro abortion side to take.
    The new North Dakota law limits abortions to six weeks gestation which would be 4 weeks from her last period. That means she needs to arrange an abortion at the one abortion clinic in state , make travel arrangement as she may have to travel hundreds of miles, find someone to watch the children if she has children and have the abortion before she is even aware she has missed her period.

    Oh and by the way ...North Dakota has no exception for rape victims.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As far as I know the commonly accepted compromise between the two sides of the debate all include exceptions for the Health of the mother, rape, incest, etc....

    Using terminology like force, and control, and rights, is a highly dishonest tactic for the pro abortion side to take.
    Like pro-abortion is NOT a dishonest term?

    As far as I know the ONLY side to be on is letting the woman decide HER life. IT makes her human.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, with that in mind then, why shouldn't it be left to the states to decide law in this arena? Didn't the SCOTUS overstep their powers when deciding Roe? If not, why not?
    Because of states like North Dakota stopping a woman's rights in federal law. The state has NO right dictating to a woman WHEN she is pregnant, how many times she gets pregnant and by whom when they are not giving her a $250,000 salary, FREE 15 room mansion, CARS, gas, groceries, nannies, butlers, maids, free health care for her and her brood, the MAN she desires to marry with a job making $5 billion and free lawn care.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As far as I know the commonly accepted compromise between the two sides of the debate all include exceptions for the Health of the mother, rape, incest, etc....

    Using terminology like force, and control, and rights, is a highly dishonest tactic for the pro abortion side to take.
    So you are abandoning using the word "rights" in relation to ZEFs/unborn children? Or are you claiming the words "rights" should only be disallowed to women?

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